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The legislation is complicated. Makes no sense to speculate if you haven't read the bill. Then you can complain about it and it's impact on sports lol.

With all due respect it's not complaining. It's a major piece of legislation. If passed it will have an affect on UA Athletics for sure. If the private schools fears are correct there will be a wave of new students coming to SUNY and away from the Siena, Fordhams of the world. Raising enrollment and likely stadium attendance.

 

If some of the skeptical politicians are correct the cost is vastly under estimated and that could results in cuts later.

You are correct it is major. And one should read the major legislation before jumping to conclusions on how much it will suck for sports. Knowledge is power :)

 

Here is one bit of real info.. it's not really free. It's after all state and federal loans are taken out.

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The legislation is complicated. Makes no sense to speculate if you haven't read the bill. Then you can complain about it and it's impact on sports lol.

With all due respect it's not complaining. It's a major piece of legislation. If passed it will have an affect on UA Athletics for sure. If the private schools fears are correct there will be a wave of new students coming to SUNY and away from the Siena, Fordhams of the world. Raising enrollment and likely stadium attendance.

 

If some of the skeptical politicians are correct the cost is vastly under estimated and that could results in cuts later.

You are correct it is major. And one should read the major legislation before jumping to conclusions on how much it will suck for sports. Knowledge is power :)

 

Here is one bit of real info.. it's not really free. It's after all state and federal loans are taken out.

I don't understand the hostility. I can't read the legislation because it hasn't been released. It's in flux due to negotiations.

 

I also understand it's limited to tuition. I have also not assumed the impact is negative.

 

I've said the impact could be either positive or negative but probably a combination. Time will tell. The one outcome I'm skeptical about is that there will be zero impact if passed.

 

We speculate on all sorts of UA athletics topics on this board. A case can be made this has the POTENTIAL to be the baddest impact since joining the CAA or building a new stadium.

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Some people enjoy preaching from a high horse, whether what they say has any substance or not.

 

Is there any information out there, accessible to the public?

 

And how do we know the legislation is complicated?

 

NYS has a way of Binging up the most simple of things. I'm all for controlling tuition costs

at the public university system... but we'll see how much of a blunder Bing this becomes.

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The legislation is complicated. Makes no sense to speculate if you haven't read the bill. Then you can complain about it and it's impact on sports lol.

With all due respect it's not complaining. It's a major piece of legislation. If passed it will have an affect on UA Athletics for sure. If the private schools fears are correct there will be a wave of new students coming to SUNY and away from the Siena, Fordhams of the world. Raising enrollment and likely stadium attendance.

 

If some of the skeptical politicians are correct the cost is vastly under estimated and that could results in cuts later.

You are correct it is major. And one should read the major legislation before jumping to conclusions on how much it will suck for sports. Knowledge is power :)

 

Here is one bit of real info.. it's not really free. It's after all state and federal loans are taken out.

I think he's simply asking for people's thoughts on it. Only to hear you yell at him to go read it. Maybe he will and maybe he won't... But you clearly are familiar with it, you can't provide some insight without being nasty? Edited by Clickclack
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Hahaha. Some ppl on here are funny. They complain about a policy idea with no information and get all annoyed when someone questions their complaints when those complaints have no basis.

 

There is info, just Google it. Busy watching final four.

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Hahaha. Some ppl on here are funny. They complain about a policy idea with no information and get all annoyed when someone questions their complaints when those complaints have no basis.

 

There is info, just Google it. Busy watching final four.

 

All this info is public.. just have to take the time to look for it.

 

 

Cuomo Proposes Free Tutition at New York State Colleges for Eligible Students

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/03/nyregion/free-tuition-new-york-colleges-plan.html

 

Tuition-Free Degree Program: The Excelsior Scholarship

https://www.ny.gov/programs/tuition-free-degree-program-excelsior-scholarship

 

Governor Cuomo Presents 1st Proposal of 2017 State of the State: Making College Tuition-Free for New York’s Middle Class Families

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-presents-1st-proposal-2017-state-state-making-college-tuition-free-new-york-s

 

9 things to know about Gov. Cuomo's free tuition plan

http://www.timesunion.com/tuplus-local/article/9-things-to-know-about-Gov-Cuomo-s-free-tuition-10881803.php

 

WATCHDOG FILE: Details hidden in free tuition plan

http://www.pressconnects.com/story/news/local/2017/01/13/watchdog-file-details-hidden-free-tuition-plan/96522032/

 

NYS Senate republican tuition plan to protect private colleges

http://news.wbfo.org/post/nys-senate-republican-tuition-plan-protect-private-colleges

 

Legislature changes Cuomo's free tuition plan

https://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/story/33586/20170316/legislature-changes-cuomo-s-free-tuition-plan

 

 

 

Legislation:

 

Executive Proposal

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2017/S2006/amendment/A(page 61 EXCELSIOR SCHOLARSHIP)

 

Assembly Proposal

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2017/A3006/amendment/B (page 79 EXCELSIOR SCHOLARSHIP)

 

Senate Proposal

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2017/S2006/amendment/B(EXCELSIOR SCHOLARSHIP is not mentioned)

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Count me as one who is skeptical. Do we really need to subsidize the tuition of English Lit, philososophy, etc, etc majors when we need teachers, STEM grads, nurses, physicians, etc? Go ahead....hate me.

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Hahaha. Some ppl on here are funny. They complain about a policy idea with no information and get all annoyed when someone questions their complaints when those complaints have no basis.

 

There is info, just Google it. Busy watching final four.

All this info is public.. just have to take the time to look for it.

 

 

Cuomo Proposes Free Tutition at New York State Colleges for Eligible Students

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/03/nyregion/free-tuition-new-york-colleges-plan.html

 

Tuition-Free Degree Program: The Excelsior Scholarship

https://www.ny.gov/programs/tuition-free-degree-program-excelsior-scholarship

 

Governor Cuomo Presents 1st Proposal of 2017 State of the State: Making College Tuition-Free for New Yorks Middle Class Families

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-presents-1st-proposal-2017-state-state-making-college-tuition-free-new-york-s

 

9 things to know about Gov. Cuomo's free tuition plan

http://www.timesunion.com/tuplus-local/article/9-things-to-know-about-Gov-Cuomo-s-free-tuition-10881803.php

 

WATCHDOG FILE: Details hidden in free tuition plan

http://www.pressconnects.com/story/news/local/2017/01/13/watchdog-file-details-hidden-free-tuition-plan/96522032/

 

NYS Senate republican tuition plan to protect private colleges

http://news.wbfo.org/post/nys-senate-republican-tuition-plan-protect-private-colleges

 

Legislature changes Cuomo's free tuition plan

https://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/story/33586/20170316/legislature-changes-cuomo-s-free-tuition-plan

 

 

 

Legislation:

 

Executive Proposal

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2017/S2006/amendment/A(page 61 EXCELSIOR SCHOLARSHIP)

 

Assembly Proposal

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2017/A3006/amendment/B (page 79 EXCELSIOR SCHOLARSHIP)

 

Senate Proposal

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2017/S2006/amendment/B(EXCELSIOR SCHOLARSHIP is not mentioned)

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Count me as one who is skeptical. Do we really need to subsidize the tuition of English Lit, philososophy, etc, etc majors when we need teachers, STEM grads, nurses, physicians, etc? Go ahead....hate me.

Hate me too. 100% with you. I'm 100% against free education, at any level, for any field, for any student outside of athletics (because schools *do* make *something* off the those kids playing sports). Take a loan like everyone else or pay cash like others.

 

Now if you want to talk about cutting the cost of school across the board and keeping it cut for future generations, I can get behind that because school really is expensive. There is NO REASON why a textbook should cost $200-300. That's insanity.

 

That being said, I'm skeptical that it will have a positive effect on athletics and likely will result, as previously stated, in programs being cut down to size. Most schools of our stature already struggle with funding athletics...that will only exacerbate the issue.

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I saw an article recently that said NYS would have a shortage of 110,000 teachers over the next decade with critical shortages in STEM and languages. If they want to do a program to encourage or subsidize aspiring teachers I could maybe go along with it. BUT tie it to the requirement that you must become a teacher in the needed disciplines AND teach in NYS for a required number of years. Otherwise, the tuition bill comes due. Guess I was born too late. In the early 70s I wanted to be a math teacher and they told us that for every math teacher opening in the state there would be 100 applicants from UA alone. I dropped out of the Ed program. My wife graduated with dual teaching certificate in English-Spanish and gave up after about 5 years of not being able to find a full time job. My how things have changed.

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Free tuition under ~$100k passed or will pass.

 

I'm hopefull it'll be good news swelling the university enrollment thus more stadium attendees and alumni. May also put some financial stress on private schools hurting from lost enrollment.

 

Simple supply/demand could push up selectively like what happened at UC (California)

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It's a watered down version of the original concept. From talking with people who know the real 4 yr graduation rate numbers..the number of possible people to use it is bloated by the Gov and SUNY that they're saying. Private schools also get $25m more in TAP. Shall wait for the real analysis to come out.

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I benefitted from no tuition in the late 50's and early 60's and as a teacher and guidance counselor, I have always felt State schools should be tuition free. The contribution my fellow graduates made to the State of New York is invaluable. Free tuition will not cost the State very much. Now, how do we control the ridiculous cost of room and board.

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Tuition plan demands students stay in New York New aid requires residency equal to number of years benefit received

"A recipient shall agree to reside exclusively in New York State, and shall not be employed in any other state, for a continuous number of years equal to the duration of the award," the legislation states.

Recipients must also sign a contract that would convert the scholarship into a student loan in the event that they decide to take a job out of state within the period of obligation. Exceptions can be made for students who continue to pursue an undergraduate education after the five-year maximum runs out, or begin pursuing a graduate degree full or part time.

 

Speaking Monday morning on a conference call with members of newspaper editorial boards, Cuomo said the rationale for the residency requirement was clear: "Why should New Yorkers pay for your college education, and then you pick up and move to California?" he said. "The concept of investing in you (and) your education is that you're going to stay here and be an asset to the state. If you don't want to stay here, then go to California now — let them pay for your college education."

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