Jump to content


Photo
- - - - -

Add Women's Crew as a Varsity Sport - Title IX?

Crew - Womens Crew - TitleIX

  • Please log in to reply
6 replies to this topic

#1 kikuria

kikuria

    Dane

  • Purple Fans
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 126 posts

Posted 27 September 2017 - 03:28 PM

Add Women's Crew as a Varsity Sport - Title IX

 
Since this got a lot of play on another thread it seems as though it should get it's own.
 
Quick Recap:  UAlbany Athletics has been found to be in violation of Title IX and that the school has offered fewer athletic opportunities for women than required by law.
 
Mark Benson and UAlbany need to find a way to make up 97 roster spots either through adding a women's sport, reducing the total number of male athletes, or some combination of the two.
 
This thread is intended to help make the case that adding Women's Crew is the obvious and logical choice for at least the following reasons: 
 
(1) It is the only Women's sport that can offset the size of a football roster - 100+ rosters are not uncommon;
(2) It is the only sport that provides a cost-effective solution on a per athlete basis - consistent with Cross Country;
(3) There are already an established and LARGE group of students rowing that have indicated they would be open to becoming an NCAA program.  
 
The notion that the equipment costs are exorbitant and therefore prohibitive has already been debunked so I'd rather not revisit that. But will show how a started up program can be done for an equipment purchase of roughly $20,000.
 
I have tons of questions. Throwing out a couple now.
 
Is Crew a good fit for the Athletic Department? Are their cultural hurdle to overcome?
 
What are the non-financial barriers to adding a Crew team? 


#2 jimbo

jimbo

    Great Dane

  • Big Purple Fans
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 912 posts

Posted 28 September 2017 - 05:40 AM

Add Women's Crew as a Varsity Sport - Title IX[/size]
 
Since this got a lot of play on another thread it seems as though it should get it's own.
 
Quick Recap:  UAlbany Athletics has been found to be in violation of Title IX and that the school has offered fewer athletic opportunities for women than required by law.
 
Mark Benson and UAlbany need to find a way to make up 97 roster spots either through adding a women's sport, reducing the total number of male athletes, or some combination of the two.
 
This thread is intended to help make the case that adding Women's Crew is the obvious and logical choice for at least the following reasons: 
 
(1) It is the only Women's sport that can offset the size of a football roster - 100+ rosters are not uncommon;
(2) It is the only sport that provides a cost-effective solution on a per athlete basis - consistent with Cross Country;
(3) There are already an established and LARGE group of students rowing that have indicated they would be open to becoming an NCAA program.  
 
The notion that the equipment costs are exorbitant and therefore prohibitive has already been debunked so I'd rather not revisit that. But will show how a started up program can be done for an equipment purchase of roughly $20,000.
 
I have tons of questions. Throwing out a couple now.
 
Is Crew a good fit for the Athletic Department? Are their cultural hurdle to overcome?
 
What are the non-financial barriers to adding a Crew team?


I would have no objections to women's crew. The reason they dropped tennis was due to a lack of conferences they could join...at least that was the official one. A little research shows that it would not be a barrier to crew as it appears there are lots of conferences including the CAA and the MAAC that would be a good fit. Crew seems to be quite popular at the local HS level and there's activity all the time on the Hudson and Mohawk rivers. It's cited in articles that women's crew is popular at the big football schools to balance off football scholarships. So I say go for it!

#3 B9j2j6s

B9j2j6s

    Great Dane

  • Big Purple Fans
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,244 posts

Posted 28 September 2017 - 07:19 AM

I am biased. I would love to see it. The fit makes sense just need to find a conference and a bit of green. Recruiting would be easy but we will see in three years.

Edited by B9j2j6s, 28 September 2017 - 07:21 AM.


#4 kikuria

kikuria

    Dane

  • Purple Fans
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 126 posts

Posted 09 October 2017 - 07:39 AM

 

Add Women's Crew as a Varsity Sport - Title IX[/size]
 
Since this got a lot of play on another thread it seems as though it should get it's own.
 
Quick Recap:  UAlbany Athletics has been found to be in violation of Title IX and that the school has offered fewer athletic opportunities for women than required by law.
 
Mark Benson and UAlbany need to find a way to make up 97 roster spots either through adding a women's sport, reducing the total number of male athletes, or some combination of the two.
 
This thread is intended to help make the case that adding Women's Crew is the obvious and logical choice for at least the following reasons: 
 
(1) It is the only Women's sport that can offset the size of a football roster - 100+ rosters are not uncommon;
(2) It is the only sport that provides a cost-effective solution on a per athlete basis - consistent with Cross Country;
(3) There are already an established and LARGE group of students rowing that have indicated they would be open to becoming an NCAA program.  
 
The notion that the equipment costs are exorbitant and therefore prohibitive has already been debunked so I'd rather not revisit that. But will show how a started up program can be done for an equipment purchase of roughly $20,000.
 
I have tons of questions. Throwing out a couple now.
 
Is Crew a good fit for the Athletic Department? Are their cultural hurdle to overcome?
 
What are the non-financial barriers to adding a Crew team?


I would have no objections to women's crew. The reason they dropped tennis was due to a lack of conferences they could join...at least that was the official one. A little research shows that it would not be a barrier to crew as it appears there are lots of conferences including the CAA and the MAAC that would be a good fit. Crew seems to be quite popular at the local HS level and there's activity all the time on the Hudson and Mohawk rivers. It's cited in articles that women's crew is popular at the big football schools to balance off football scholarships. So I say go for it!

 

 

I've been doing a ton of research. It appears that the current team starting attending an early season MAAC invitational in 2012 and performed reasonably well (particularly notable since they would have had no institutional support.)  It also looks like they see those same schools on at least one other occasion during the regular spring season. 

 

Since Women's Golf is already an Associate Member of the MAAC, it's not a stretch to think that Crew could also join as an Associate Member.  The MAAC Championships for Crew is an AQ for NCAA's so there would be a direct line to post season play.  It's also realistic since the they've already been able to hang with the current MAAC program.   

 

The CAA also has a championships that is an AQ.  Again, direct line to post season play.  The current team doesn't really travel in those circles for competition so there's no direct comparison to be make.  But we know that football is already an Associate Member. It's not a leap to see the team join that conference too. It's also my understanding that there's an opening as an Associate Member for Crew just left the conference.


Edited by kikuria, 09 October 2017 - 07:40 AM.


#5 jimbo

jimbo

    Great Dane

  • Big Purple Fans
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 912 posts

Posted 14 October 2017 - 07:04 AM

Add Women's Crew as a Varsity Sport - Title IX[/size]
 
Since this got a lot of play on another thread it seems as though it should get it's own.
 
Quick Recap:  UAlbany Athletics has been found to be in violation of Title IX and that the school has offered fewer athletic opportunities for women than required by law.
 
Mark Benson and UAlbany need to find a way to make up 97 roster spots either through adding a women's sport, reducing the total number of male athletes, or some combination of the two.
 
This thread is intended to help make the case that adding Women's Crew is the obvious and logical choice for at least the following reasons: 
 
(1) It is the only Women's sport that can offset the size of a football roster - 100+ rosters are not uncommon;
(2) It is the only sport that provides a cost-effective solution on a per athlete basis - consistent with Cross Country;
(3) There are already an established and LARGE group of students rowing that have indicated they would be open to becoming an NCAA program.  
 
The notion that the equipment costs are exorbitant and therefore prohibitive has already been debunked so I'd rather not revisit that. But will show how a started up program can be done for an equipment purchase of roughly $20,000.
 
I have tons of questions. Throwing out a couple now.
 
Is Crew a good fit for the Athletic Department? Are their cultural hurdle to overcome?
 
What are the non-financial barriers to adding a Crew team?


I would have no objections to women's crew. The reason they dropped tennis was due to a lack of conferences they could join...at least that was the official one. A little research shows that it would not be a barrier to crew as it appears there are lots of conferences including the CAA and the MAAC that would be a good fit. Crew seems to be quite popular at the local HS level and there's activity all the time on the Hudson and Mohawk rivers. It's cited in articles that women's crew is popular at the big football schools to balance off football scholarships. So I say go for it!
 
I've been doing a ton of research. It appears that the current team starting attending an early season MAAC invitational in 2012 and performed reasonably well (particularly notable since they would have had no institutional support.)  It also looks like they see those same schools on at least one other occasion during the regular spring season. 
 
Since Women's Golf is already an Associate Member of the MAAC, it's not a stretch to think that Crew could also join as an Associate Member.  The MAAC Championships for Crew is an AQ for NCAA's so there would be a direct line to post season play.  It's also realistic since the they've already been able to hang with the current MAAC program.   
 
The CAA also has a championships that is an AQ.  Again, direct line to post season play.  The current team doesn't really travel in those circles for competition so there's no direct comparison to be make.  But we know that football is already an Associate Member. It's not a leap to see the team join that conference too. It's also my understanding that there's an opening as an Associate Member for Crew just left the conference.

I scanned the resolution between UA and the OCR and it appears that Nov 30, 2017 is the date by which UA has to have a plan and procedure in place for interested parties to submit requests to add new intercollegiate sports. So maybe that will be the point at which any requests will be taken seriously. I have no inside knowledge at all, just what I read in the newspaper and their links. Good luck with it!

#6 kikuria

kikuria

    Dane

  • Purple Fans
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 126 posts

Posted 14 October 2017 - 07:17 AM

 

 

 

Add Women's Crew as a Varsity Sport - Title IX[/size]
 
Since this got a lot of play on another thread it seems as though it should get it's own.
 
Quick Recap:  UAlbany Athletics has been found to be in violation of Title IX and that the school has offered fewer athletic opportunities for women than required by law.
 
Mark Benson and UAlbany need to find a way to make up 97 roster spots either through adding a women's sport, reducing the total number of male athletes, or some combination of the two.
 
This thread is intended to help make the case that adding Women's Crew is the obvious and logical choice for at least the following reasons: 
 
(1) It is the only Women's sport that can offset the size of a football roster - 100+ rosters are not uncommon;
(2) It is the only sport that provides a cost-effective solution on a per athlete basis - consistent with Cross Country;
(3) There are already an established and LARGE group of students rowing that have indicated they would be open to becoming an NCAA program.  
 
The notion that the equipment costs are exorbitant and therefore prohibitive has already been debunked so I'd rather not revisit that. But will show how a started up program can be done for an equipment purchase of roughly $20,000.
 
I have tons of questions. Throwing out a couple now.
 
Is Crew a good fit for the Athletic Department? Are their cultural hurdle to overcome?
 
What are the non-financial barriers to adding a Crew team?


I would have no objections to women's crew. The reason they dropped tennis was due to a lack of conferences they could join...at least that was the official one. A little research shows that it would not be a barrier to crew as it appears there are lots of conferences including the CAA and the MAAC that would be a good fit. Crew seems to be quite popular at the local HS level and there's activity all the time on the Hudson and Mohawk rivers. It's cited in articles that women's crew is popular at the big football schools to balance off football scholarships. So I say go for it!
 
I've been doing a ton of research. It appears that the current team starting attending an early season MAAC invitational in 2012 and performed reasonably well (particularly notable since they would have had no institutional support.)  It also looks like they see those same schools on at least one other occasion during the regular spring season. 
 
Since Women's Golf is already an Associate Member of the MAAC, it's not a stretch to think that Crew could also join as an Associate Member.  The MAAC Championships for Crew is an AQ for NCAA's so there would be a direct line to post season play.  It's also realistic since the they've already been able to hang with the current MAAC program.   
 
The CAA also has a championships that is an AQ.  Again, direct line to post season play.  The current team doesn't really travel in those circles for competition so there's no direct comparison to be make.  But we know that football is already an Associate Member. It's not a leap to see the team join that conference too. It's also my understanding that there's an opening as an Associate Member for Crew just left the conference.

I scanned the resolution between UA and the OCR and it appears that Nov 30, 2017 is the date by which UA has to have a plan and procedure in place for interested parties to submit requests to add new intercollegiate sports. So maybe that will be the point at which any requests will be taken seriously. I have no inside knowledge at all, just what I read in the newspaper and their links. Good luck with it!

 

 

This is good to know. I'll pass along to the people that I'm in contact with. Hate to say it but I'm playing the fan sitting in the "cheap seats" who wears his Monday Morning Quarterback jersey :) 



#7 kikuria

kikuria

    Dane

  • Purple Fans
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 126 posts

Posted 13 November 2017 - 04:05 PM

Story in the Albany Student Press about the Federal Lawsuit that was filed. 

 

http://www.albanystu...nation-charges/






0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users