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@ UVM - 2/22 - 7PM


Eli

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This is going to be a tough one. If Penn State UAlbany shows up, we can win it. If the lack luster AE team of a few weeks ago shows up, it's gonna be a 10-15pt loss. I would love to snap UVM's perfect AE season. This is a must win again.

 

Even if we lose, we still have a strong chance to retain 3rd if we can beat lowly Hartford at home on 2/25 (reminder, town hall before that game at 5:30PM in HOF room).

 

If we go 1-1 our last two games, that puts us at 10-6 for the season. Both UMBC and UNH would have to go 2-0 to tie that mark, but that won't be possible since they play each other the final game of the season (UMBC @ UNH) so only one of them will be battling us for 3rd. So let's assume UNH wins at home and is the one going 2-0.

 

Teams are seeded by conference record, with ties broken by record between the tied teams followed by record against the regular-season champion, if necessary.

Because we went 1-1 vs UNH, the next tie breaker is our respective records vs UVM. UNH has lost to them both times, we are 0-1. Basically, if we can beat UVM tomorrow and somehow lose to Hartford, we'll still have 3rd place as the Hartford loss won't matter due to tie breakers involving UVM. I'm not sure what the 3rd tie breaker is though if we both go 0-2 vs UVM and went 1-1 against each other. Maybe then it goes to record vs SBU? We both were 0-2 there as well...lol.

 

If for some reason UMBC goes 2-0 and not UNH, we are guaranteed 3rd as we've beaten UMBC both times so that's the tie breaker.

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EDIT: Per AE's 2013 Tie Breaker article (http://www.americaeast.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=14000&ATCLID=206563260), the following are the tie breaking scenarios...assuming they are still using this.

 

Championship Tie-Breaking Procedure

Teams tied for first place will be deemed “co-champions.” Ties for championship seeding will be broken from the top of the standings down. In the event of a tie between two or more teams, the tie shall be broken using the following criteria in order:
a. Winning percentage in conference games versus the other teams with which it is tied (i.e. head-to-head-competition.
b. Winning percentage in conference games versus the other conference opponents in descending
rank order. In the event of arriving at another group of tied teams when comparing records, each team’s record (winning percentage) versus the tied teams is used rather than the performance versus the individual tied teams.
c. Winning percentage in conference road games. In the event a conference game was played on a neutral court, the team awarded the home game by the conference office when the schedule was issued is considered the home team.
d. RPI ranking as determined by the College RPI Report through the end of regular-season conference games.
e. Draw conducted by the Commissioner or his/her designee.

 

If UA goes 1-1 the rest of the way and finishes 10-6 for the season, either UMBC or UNH would have to go 2-0 to do the same. UMBC plays at UNH the last game of the year, so only one of them can achieve this. For all we know, both teams could lose their second to last game and if we go 1-1, we lock up third.

Should one of them go 2-0 though...

Scenario A: We trump UMBC by virtue of being 2-0 against them. We tie UNH by going 1-1 against them. Proceed to next tie breaker.

Scenario B: Starting with UVM, both UMBC and UNH are 0-2, like us. UMBC is 0-1 against SBU while UNH is 0-2, like us. If UMBC somehow beats SBU AND UNH (unlikely scenario), we would be 4th. If they lose to either, we lock up 3rd. Then we proceed to UML and that's where things get interesting as UNH still has to play them and UMBC is 2-0 against them. I don't think we'll get that far down Scenario B though.

Scenario C: We are 5-2 on the road currently and the other two are 4-3. They'd both have to win on the road and we'd have to lose to UVM to make this another tie.

Scenario D/E: Self explanatory.

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This is going to be a tough one. If Penn State UAlbany shows up, we can win it. If the lack luster AE team of a few weeks ago shows up, it's gonna be a 10-15pt loss.

 

Even if we lose, we still have a strong chance to retain 3rd if we can beat lowly Hartford at home on 2/25 (reminder, town hall before that game at 5:30PM in HOF room).

 

If we go 1-1 our last two games, that puts us at 10-6 for the season. Both UMBC and UNH would have to go 2-0 to tie that mark, but that won't be possible since they play each other the final game of the season (UMBC @ UNH) so only one of them will be battling us for 3rd. So let's assume UNH wins at home and is the one going 2-0.

 

Teams are seeded by conference record, with ties broken by record between the tied teams followed by record against the regular-season champion, if necessary.

Because we went 1-1 vs UNH, the next tie breaker is our respective records vs UVM. UNH has lost to them both times, we are 0-1. Basically, if we can beat UVM tomorrow and somehow lose to Hartford, we'll still have 3rd place as the Hartford loss won't matter due to tie breakers involving UVM. I'm not sure what the 3rd tie breaker is though if we both go 0-2 vs UVM and went 1-1 against each other. Maybe then it goes to record vs SBU? We both were 0-2 there as well...lol.

 

If for some reason UMBC goes 2-0 and not UNH, we are guaranteed 3rd as we've beaten UMBC both times so that's the tie breaker.

 

I believe our magic number is one. My understanding is that the tiebreaker after the records vs. UVM is to simply go down the conference standings. So even if we lose against UVM and UNH goes 2-0..a win over Hartford for us would give us the 3 seed because we would be 2-0 vs UMBC and UNH would be 1-1. We would both be 0-2 against both UVM and Stony Brook in that scenario and obviously split head-to-head..leaving UMBC as the next highest ranked opponent. The America East tiebreaker structure values good wins over bad losses..which works to our favor this season.

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This is going to be a tough one. If Penn State UAlbany shows up, we can win it. If the lack luster AE team of a few weeks ago shows up, it's gonna be a 10-15pt loss.

 

Even if we lose, we still have a strong chance to retain 3rd if we can beat lowly Hartford at home on 2/25 (reminder, town hall before that game at 5:30PM in HOF room).

 

If we go 1-1 our last two games, that puts us at 10-6 for the season. Both UMBC and UNH would have to go 2-0 to tie that mark, but that won't be possible since they play each other the final game of the season (UMBC @ UNH) so only one of them will be battling us for 3rd. So let's assume UNH wins at home and is the one going 2-0.

 

Teams are seeded by conference record, with ties broken by record between the tied teams followed by record against the regular-season champion, if necessary.

Because we went 1-1 vs UNH, the next tie breaker is our respective records vs UVM. UNH has lost to them both times, we are 0-1. Basically, if we can beat UVM tomorrow and somehow lose to Hartford, we'll still have 3rd place as the Hartford loss won't matter due to tie breakers involving UVM. I'm not sure what the 3rd tie breaker is though if we both go 0-2 vs UVM and went 1-1 against each other. Maybe then it goes to record vs SBU? We both were 0-2 there as well...lol.

 

If for some reason UMBC goes 2-0 and not UNH, we are guaranteed 3rd as we've beaten UMBC both times so that's the tie breaker.

 

I believe our magic number is one. My understanding is that the tiebreaker after the records vs. UVM is to simply go down the conference standings. So even if we lose against UVM and UNH goes 2-0..a win over Hartford for us would give us the 3 seed because we would be 2-0 vs UMBC and UNH would be 1-1. We would both be 0-2 against both UVM and Stony Brook in that scenario and obviously split head-to-head..leaving UMBC as the next highest ranked opponent. The America East tiebreaker structure values good wins over bad losses..which works to our favor this season.

 

 

Yep, you are right. I just edited my original post because I found the rules, albeit from 2013. The only thing is UMBC has yet to play SBU the 2nd time...so should they somehow win that (unlikely), that'll bump us down me thinks?

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This is going to be a tough one. If Penn State UAlbany shows up, we can win it. If the lack luster AE team of a few weeks ago shows up, it's gonna be a 10-15pt loss.

 

Even if we lose, we still have a strong chance to retain 3rd if we can beat lowly Hartford at home on 2/25 (reminder, town hall before that game at 5:30PM in HOF room).

 

If we go 1-1 our last two games, that puts us at 10-6 for the season. Both UMBC and UNH would have to go 2-0 to tie that mark, but that won't be possible since they play each other the final game of the season (UMBC @ UNH) so only one of them will be battling us for 3rd. So let's assume UNH wins at home and is the one going 2-0.

 

Teams are seeded by conference record, with ties broken by record between the tied teams followed by record against the regular-season champion, if necessary.

Because we went 1-1 vs UNH, the next tie breaker is our respective records vs UVM. UNH has lost to them both times, we are 0-1. Basically, if we can beat UVM tomorrow and somehow lose to Hartford, we'll still have 3rd place as the Hartford loss won't matter due to tie breakers involving UVM. I'm not sure what the 3rd tie breaker is though if we both go 0-2 vs UVM and went 1-1 against each other. Maybe then it goes to record vs SBU? We both were 0-2 there as well...lol.

 

If for some reason UMBC goes 2-0 and not UNH, we are guaranteed 3rd as we've beaten UMBC both times so that's the tie breaker.

 

I believe our magic number is one. My understanding is that the tiebreaker after the records vs. UVM is to simply go down the conference standings. So even if we lose against UVM and UNH goes 2-0..a win over Hartford for us would give us the 3 seed because we would be 2-0 vs UMBC and UNH would be 1-1. We would both be 0-2 against both UVM and Stony Brook in that scenario and obviously split head-to-head..leaving UMBC as the next highest ranked opponent. The America East tiebreaker structure values good wins over bad losses..which works to our favor this season.

 

 

Yep, you are right. I just edited my original post because I found the rules, albeit from 2013. The only thing is UMBC has yet to play SBU the 2nd time...so should they somehow win that (unlikely), that'll bump us down me thinks?

 

 

That's one of the scenarios why we haven't already clinched 3rd..and that our magic number is one against both teams individually. If we go 1-1 vs. UVM and Hartford..we finish 10-6. If UMBC beats both Stony Brook and UNH..they finish 10-6. But we'd earn the tiebreaker because we're 2-0 head-to-head vs. UMBC. Any win for us over the next two games guarantees us the 3 seed. Any losses by UNH or UMBC knocks them out of the 3 seed.

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This is going to be a tough one. If Penn State UAlbany shows up, we can win it. If the lack luster AE team of a few weeks ago shows up, it's gonna be a 10-15pt loss.

 

Even if we lose, we still have a strong chance to retain 3rd if we can beat lowly Hartford at home on 2/25 (reminder, town hall before that game at 5:30PM in HOF room).

 

If we go 1-1 our last two games, that puts us at 10-6 for the season. Both UMBC and UNH would have to go 2-0 to tie that mark, but that won't be possible since they play each other the final game of the season (UMBC @ UNH) so only one of them will be battling us for 3rd. So let's assume UNH wins at home and is the one going 2-0.

 

Teams are seeded by conference record, with ties broken by record between the tied teams followed by record against the regular-season champion, if necessary.

Because we went 1-1 vs UNH, the next tie breaker is our respective records vs UVM. UNH has lost to them both times, we are 0-1. Basically, if we can beat UVM tomorrow and somehow lose to Hartford, we'll still have 3rd place as the Hartford loss won't matter due to tie breakers involving UVM. I'm not sure what the 3rd tie breaker is though if we both go 0-2 vs UVM and went 1-1 against each other. Maybe then it goes to record vs SBU? We both were 0-2 there as well...lol.

 

If for some reason UMBC goes 2-0 and not UNH, we are guaranteed 3rd as we've beaten UMBC both times so that's the tie breaker.

 

I believe our magic number is one. My understanding is that the tiebreaker after the records vs. UVM is to simply go down the conference standings. So even if we lose against UVM and UNH goes 2-0..a win over Hartford for us would give us the 3 seed because we would be 2-0 vs UMBC and UNH would be 1-1. We would both be 0-2 against both UVM and Stony Brook in that scenario and obviously split head-to-head..leaving UMBC as the next highest ranked opponent. The America East tiebreaker structure values good wins over bad losses..which works to our favor this season.

 

 

Yep, you are right. I just edited my original post because I found the rules, albeit from 2013. The only thing is UMBC has yet to play SBU the 2nd time...so should they somehow win that (unlikely), that'll bump us down me thinks?

 

 

That's one of the scenarios why we haven't already clinched 3rd..and that our magic number is one against both teams individually. If we go 1-1 vs. UVM and Hartford..we finish 10-6. If UMBC beats both Stony Brook and UNH..they finish 10-6. But we'd earn the tiebreaker because we're 2-0 head-to-head vs. UMBC. Any win for us over the next two games guarantees us the 3 seed. Any losses by UNH or UMBC knocks them out of the 3 seed.

 

 

Ahh, that makes sense. Thanks for the simplification.

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