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UA in the AE Standings & Tie Breaker Info


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In the past the AE had these rules on their website. But I think someone posted on here that when they redid their website they took that link down. GDG asked them on twitter for the link, but I guess they still don't have them up so they took a picture from their rule book (?). Should be good to have on the forum for future use too since it's no place online.

 

Found it interesting that they use College RPI Report and not the NCAA RPI list..they are different.

 

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There are so many combinations left but GDG and I went through many of them this afternoon for a few hours. The tie breakers really make things interesting. Below are a few things we came across that we thought others may find interesting. Don't take this as gospel but we worked through a lot of it and doubled checked. Any other interesting scenarios that people have come up with?

 

Starting with our game on Tuesday...

 

Stony Brook game is big:

· If Albany wins, there is only one scenario where the Danes dont win the regular season title (Albany losing the next two + UVM winning their next two + UVM beating Albany in last game)

 

· If Albany wins and then wins against Hartford or UMBC, the Danes effectively clinch the regular season title before the UVM game (because RPI could be needed for a tiebreaker and Albany is well ahead of UVM in that rating)

 

· If Albany wins, any UVM loss clinches the regular season title for the Danes

 

· If Albany loses, the only way for the Danes to clinch the regular season title before the final game is for UVM to lose at least one of their next two games (if UVM loses one, Albany must beat Hart and UMBC.. if UVM loses two, Albany must beat Hartford or UMBC)

 

 

Some other fun facts:

· Albany could lose all four remaining games, but win the regular season title by way of a tiebreaker in the one possible scenario of a four-way tie between us, UVM, Stony Brook and UNH

 

· Albany could lose all four remaining games, but win the regular season title by way of a tiebreaker in three-way tie between us, UVM and UNH

 

· UVM cannot win the regular season title without at least beating Albany in the last game

 

The reason why there are scenarios with that involve just two games while our magic number is three is because the traditional magic number rules ignore tie breakers. Most importantly, UAlbany is in the drivers seat. Keep winning and theres nothing other teams can do.

 

WBB

As for the women, one interesting note is that if Albany and Maine win out, the tiebreaker will be RPI and according to the website listed in the AE rulebook.(That site hasn't been updated since then)..EDIT..as pointed out the AE RPI page has UA up over Maine but isn't up to date, it's the NCAA one that is up the date that has Maine over UA.

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WBB: albany has the advantage 76 to 82

Will be interesting when the RPI website the AE uses gets updated since the NCAA RPI website that is up to date with w/l with the records has Maine 77 and UA 83.

 

Is RPI something that's calculated differently by different people?

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Is RPI something that's calculated differently by different people?

Yes. Per RealtimeRPI:

1.4 Does the NCAA perform adjustments to the basic formula?

Yes. They normally have their own secret adjustments. Basically, it's a system of bonuses and penalties. Teams gain credits for beating top 50 RPI teams and for scheduling 50 percent of their non-conference games against top 50 opponents. Teams receive penalties for losing to non-Division I teams, or lossing to weak teams (150 or below) and for scheduling 50 percent of the non-conference schedule against weak teams. We also perform similar adjustments.

 

1.7 How accurate are your results comparing to the official NCAA calculations?

Should be very accurate, subject to game data errors which are rare but occur occasionally. In addition, minor discrepancies may exist if the NCAA and RTR have different definitions for certain neutral games.

 

So every non-official RPI rating is guessing at the adjusments, and not everyone has every score correct or listed.

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Is RPI something that's calculated differently by different people?

Yes. Per RealtimeRPI:

1.4 Does the NCAA perform adjustments to the basic formula?

Yes. They normally have their own secret adjustments. Basically, it's a system of bonuses and penalties. Teams gain credits for beating top 50 RPI teams and for scheduling 50 percent of their non-conference games against top 50 opponents. Teams receive penalties for losing to non-Division I teams, or lossing to weak teams (150 or below) and for scheduling 50 percent of the non-conference schedule against weak teams. We also perform similar adjustments.

 

1.7 How accurate are your results comparing to the official NCAA calculations?

Should be very accurate, subject to game data errors which are rare but occur occasionally. In addition, minor discrepancies may exist if the NCAA and RTR have different definitions for certain neutral games.

 

So every non-official RPI rating is guessing at the adjusments, and not everyone has every score correct or listed.

Thanks! Wonder how the AE decided on College RPI Report over the NCAA one. Edited by MsGDG
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Is RPI something that's calculated differently by different people?

Yes. Per RealtimeRPI:1.4 Does the NCAA perform adjustments to the basic formula?Yes. They normally have their own secret adjustments. Basically, it's a system of bonuses and penalties. Teams gain credits for beating top 50 RPI teams and for scheduling 50 percent of their non-conference games against top 50 opponents. Teams receive penalties for losing to non-Division I teams, or lossing to weak teams (150 or below) and for scheduling 50 percent of the non-conference schedule against weak teams. We also perform similar adjustments.1.7 How accurate are your results comparing to the official NCAA calculations?Should be very accurate, subject to game data errors which are rare but occur occasionally. In addition, minor discrepancies may exist if the NCAA and RTR have different definitions for certain neutral games.So every non-official RPI rating is guessing at the adjusments, and not everyone has every score correct or listed.

RealtimeRPI is a fun resource, but it has its fair share of mistakes and contacting their customer service is next to impossible. Two noticeable errors:

1) They list the Albany women as having beaten Northeastern 70-67, but this was a loss.

2) They still have SBU football listed as being in the Big South.

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Hey, we're just like Kentucky!

 

"In six of its past 12 games, Kentucky led by double digits, only to squander away those leads to single-digit advantages.

That the Wildcats have won them all is a testimony to their talent -- but talent, oddly enough, doesn't always win games in March.

"When you get teams down 13 or 14, then you have to get it to 20,'' coach John Calipari said this week. "We have a way of getting it to six. I told them in the NCAA tournament, when that becomes a six and they hit a 3-ball, then the weight of the world is on you and not them. They're going to play out of their minds and you can end the season based on a three-minute stretch where you didn't get it from 16 or 14 to 20. That's the issue."

 

It's like we're twins.

 

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Hey, we're just Kentucky!

 

"In six of its past 12 games, Kentucky led by double digits, only to squander away those leads to single-digit advantages.

 

That the Wildcats have won them all is a testimony to their talent -- but talent, oddly enough, doesn't always win games in March.

 

"When you get teams down 13 or 14, then you have to get it to 20,'' coach John Calipari said this week. "We have a way of getting it to six. I told them in the NCAA tournament, when that becomes a six and they hit a 3-ball, then the weight of the world is on you and not them. They're going to play out of their minds and you can end the season based on a three-minute stretch where you didn't get it from 16 or 14 to 20. That's the issue."

 

It's like we're twins.

 

 

 

 

LOL.. haha so true.

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Another interesting possibility we came across tonight.

 

UVM can win outright, including their game against us and UA could still be in first place.

 

Here's how...

 

-Albany wins against Hartford, UMBC and loses to UVM

-UVM wins the rest of their games

-UNH wins all of their games except against UVM

-SB wins the rest of their games, except last game at Hartford

 

This would leave the standings at..

 

UA and UVM 14-2

SB and UNH 11-5

 

Then UVM and UA would be 3-1 against the SB/UNH tie.

 

The next tie breaker is conference road record. UA would be in this scenario 8-0 on the road and UVM would be 7-1 because of their loss at UNH.

 

UA wins the tie breaker and would be in first place.

 

The SB vs. Hartford game is AFTER the UA vs. UVM game. Meaning if this random scenario happened we would have to wait till after our last game to find out if we are first or second.

 

*we think..math could be wrong but we think it's right

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The worst we can do is 12-4, meaning we have clinched at least a second seed.

 

 

-Albany could lose all three remaining games, but win the regular season title by way of a tiebreaker in the one possible scenario of a four-way tie between us, UVM, Stony Brook and UNH.As noted above this is still alive due to the loss to Binghamton by Vermont.

 

1 Albany 12-4

2 UNH 12-4

3 Vermont 12-4

4 Stony Brook 12-4

 

Tiebreaker: Albany would be 4-2 against the other three teams, and rest are all 3-3. Following the instructions you go back up to tiebreaker A, and UNH would get second because they would be 3-1 against Stony Brook and Vermont, then head to head Vermont and Stony Brook, Vermont swept Stony Brook so they would be third.

 

Hopefully it won't come down to that and we can just win our games and not have to worry about the other teams. Though it would be great to win against Hartford and UMBC and then just be able to enjoy the UVM game without being on the edge of our seats.

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