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  1. ok - so I rarely post (shame on me... or maybe good for you..!) I transferred from 'cuse to UA in the late '80s. At the time this wasn't considered a step-down - more of a lateral. My SU friends didn't think it was a major shift (I also thought of NYU - just knew SU wasn't for me...) The joke on campus was this is "SUNY Syracuse", as in 400 person lectures in freshman classes. The food was comparatively great. As an alum has it made a difference ? Not in the northeast (I've been in MA for 20+ years now...) For graduate school ? Again, UA and SU would be 'peers' in grad applications - and here, UA has, in most departments, better-known faculty (what really matters...) I managed to attend a top-10 graduate school from UA (in my field, and in general a 'top 10' school). There are some very seriously accomplished UA alums out there. While I think I've had a fabulous career, I'm amazed and humbled at some of the alums I meet. What UA sorely needs is a 'vision' of what it wants to be. What the student experience should be, and how it is different from every other school. Likewise for the alumni, and how alums are supposed to remain involved in the school. This currently doesn't exist, and I think ultimately is hurting the trajectory. Syracuse has this right - 1000%.
  2. If the land is owned by the foundation, then SUNY Poly should be paying rents to the foundation. I would assume that would have been in place with CNSE as well... same for a lease (or Poly takes over the lease terms). If it was owned/leased by UA, then it gets messier as the state can do what they want. My guess, and this is purely a guess, is that the land was leased by the foundation and now Poly has taken over the lease terms.
  3. "capital", not "capitol" As long as the four SUNY centers keep beating each other up, they will keep each other down. There's no chance that one will allowed to 'break out' - there are too many alumni and too much wrapped up in local state politics for that to ever happen. They will all rise nicely together and the real "competition", for state and federal dollars and for students, is from the NY privates and surrounding states. Rutgers, UConn, Mass, UVM, UNH, Ohio, Penn State, BU, Northeastern, Syracuse, Fordham, etc....
  4. I don't think it comes down to one loss (for any team), so that's just silly. In terms of WNY "brand", those schools are probably equal to Albany, but that's beside the point. My opinion is that Buffalo doesn't like to be 'peered' with other SUNY centers (notably SBU and Albany), so they avoid it. Probably still smarting about being taken over by the state or something - although strangely they wanted to be "The" state univ. of NY. Good thing for Albany and SBU they're building a nice rivalry between the schools. Buffalo is not, any longer, in a different category -- splitting hairs.
  5. Too bad about SBU. Good team and good program - (in spite of their smack talking)... I'm glad they didn't make the dance, but would have been good to see them make some noise. The buzzer losses are tough to take.
  6. I wish them the best - I really do. It's a question of where we are as a program and as a university and whether this makes sense. Yes, it's good for the hometown alums of both school. Apart from that, no. So, considering, a home&home at best would make sense going forward.
  7. I really hope we just drop this game. Siena isn't a "peer" school, and you're known by the company you keep. If we play at all, they should be paying us to play - I know they don't see it that way, which is why we should just drop it. We can schedule much better and more interesting opponents. Home and home is too generous.
  8. I think it's great that they made the tournament -- first time I think. Well, this is #5 for us. And I think Bracketology has them at a 12 seed, with us at 14... so if that holds both will have tough first rounds.
  9. Our endowment needs to be bigger -- too bad the Nano split didn't have some unrestricted funds to go with it. On the other hand if they buy us a law school and medical school, well, all can be forgiven. The one year return on the S&P500 was 17%. I'm not sure how it's invested, but I'm pretty confident it doesn't sit in a money market... I would encourage everyone on this board to give -- It's true that a lot of endowment income is often from "large gifts", which at Albany aren't that large -- maybe $10k. And if alumni are in the habit of giving (at least *something*), then if and when they have more income or other windfall they are likely to give more. Just my 2 cents...
  10. Maybe I've been earning a living for too long, but I'm not going to sit through a boring basketball game for a chance at a free TV.... especially if my team loses. There are great studies on increase in hormone production (at least in males) when their home teams win or lose, even if they only sit on the couch: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9811365 There's a lot to this -- the biggest bump is if you play a team that's "close", and pull out a win. How many of us have felt that joy ! Of course the Danes could never beat the Tar Heels (who could - those kids can't even read... - only major in basketball !) But when we knock down Vermont or another great rival, well, it feels good. Like monkeys on cocaine, we come back for more. That and change the $*@&! name. I can't even SAY "You-Albany" - there's no consonant break ! Let's just be Albany University (or University of Albany) and be done with it. Nobody will confuse us with that school in Georgia any more than the Indiana University of Pennsylvania is confused with Penn, or the Indiana University - Purdue University Indianapolis is confused with Indiana or Purdue (what's with Indiana anyway!)
  11. I thought "Union University" was a pretty thin admin. layer without much overlap between the institutions. From what I've read and people I've spoken to, this will be a merger / absorption / whatever you want to call it with ALS. They are doing it 'step wise' to make sure things go well, but the intent on both sides is a full, unqualified merger. At least that's what I've been hearing - take it for what it's worth (FWIW I was the first one to post about the nano split... so maybe I know something. Maybe I don't) There are really no naysayers on this -- of course some ALS alums would just love SUNY to give ALS a ton of cash and be done with it, but that's not really going to happen now. I'm much more interested and excited about downstate med - although that might be trickier since downstate is on good financial footing. But possibly path smoothed because it's within SUNY. Having a medical school would almost certainly mean AAU membership -- we're on the bubble without it. Strangely, losing Nano didn't hurt that much since the research funding was almost all from industry, which the academics (stupidly in my opinion) discount. aka not "peer reviewed". whatever... But Downstate + what we're doing in cancer, the RNA Institute, genomics, etc. is really impressive.
  12. I don't think it's an ordered list - looks quasi-alphabetical - Albany has 2 CEOs of $100M IPO (mkt cap) companies in 2014. This is fantastic and a good list to be on.
  13. My guess is the "merger" (aka acquisition) will happen. ALS is on a pretty bad financial path and I doubt sincerely the state will give it any money as charity. Also by becoming part of Albany the tuition will drop to a level that will attract a LOT of students - student caliber will increase overnight. I've also heard that Downstate Medical is very much "on the table" - which will be amazing. Assuming this happens, like Cornell we will have a medical school in NYC and maybe can use that campus for other programs, or blended programs. Assuming all happens (yes this is a big assumption but the momentum is REALLY there), Albany will have a top-10 public policy school, a law school in the State capital, a med. school in NYC, and a new engineering school. The business school might also benefit from this activity. AAU will definitely be coming. Someone said is elsewhere - but the "odd man out" is Binghamton.
  14. If Albany Law School doesn't merge (whatever "affiliate" means), it has a high risk of being among the "several" NYS law schools that will close. Columbia, NYU, Cornell, Fordham are clearly not at risk. Neither is Syracuse, Hofstra, St. John's or Cardozo. We can assume CUNY and SUNY Buffalo are also not closing due to their public mission. This leaves Brooklyn Law, Touro, Albany, New York Law, and Pace. Those are all at risk - more than one will close. Pace and Brooklyn are probably safe. Between Touro, Albany, and NY Law - pick 2.
  15. If someone wants to block this, arguments like "it's not fair to me" and "we don't need another (public) law school" will not work. Albany Law School is not viable "as is". As someone already pointed out, a merger like this will reduce the number of law schools by basically scrapping Binghamton's future one, so it doesn't add another law school to New York. No way will NYS support three public law schools. There has also been the issue of whether Albany Law School is *viable* without some drastic change. An alternative of status quo ante will not fly when first year enrollments are down 34%. And a merger alone is not enough -- however, a merger combined with an aggressive 6-year BA/JD and 4 year JD/MPA JD/MPP will be great. The combined programs with Rockefeller will attract fantastic talent to the law school and beef up its academic credentials (this is, after all, a top-10 public policy school), as well as enrollment numbers. Graduates of the program will have no problem finding good work in Washington or state-level governments, which will bolster the Law School's job placement rates. I'm sure they'll also push JD/MBA but the uptake on that isn't as clear to me. It's really a no-brainer, and will be cheaper than NY building a new law school and will assure the future of Albany Law School. I have not seen anyone suggest and alternate plan for Albany Law School that doesn't result in insolvency, and the state "owes" UAlbany for playing nice with the Nano split. This will happen, and my guess is it will happen quickly.
  16. No argument that Albany Law has to get back on track. But it's so far off track that it needs a new direction. I wasn't suggesting that the Rockefeller faculty should be teaching at the law school, but that the law school is a good fit with both Rockefeller and the Business School. Joint JD/MBA and JD/MPA degrees will be popular for people who want to primarily pursue non-legal professions but want the training. This will help strengthen the student body at ALS. Yes, this can be done through a looser 'affiliation', but somehow it never happens. In terms of medical, it'd be great to somehow / someway grab Downstate. I don't think that'll happen, but I can hope (I'm in the med. research field, so have more of a passion for the sciences). The fact that it's in NYC doesn't really matter -- medical schools are, for whatever reason, often not co-located with main campuses. Cornell is a prime example and there are others. Stony Brook and Buffalo both have medical schools. Wow - if both ALS and Downstate can happen for UA...... AAU would definitely be in the cards..
  17. Current students won't see the benefits from this, and it's reasonable they'd be opposed however short sighted -- future generations will get the same degree at 1/2 to 1/4 of the cost, plus better options to combine with coursework and faculty from UA. They probably see the 'oldest independent law school' as a selling point. If the law school improves in status under UA (which it ought to - at least up from the third tier), they worry they will be seen as the last desperate class. I feel badly for these kids - unless they have the wealth to fund this, their career prospects aren't bright (not just Albany Law, but from all except the top tier law schools at present). I question whether this makes sense for U-Albany - why take on a sinking ship. But with government funding, a 'second' NYS law school in a good geography, coupling with a top-tier public policy school (Rockefeller) and a second-tier business school, this could make all the world of sense in the long run. It will take substantial investment by the State and by UA to make this sing. Candidly I don't think the current Albany Law faculty are in the same league as, say, the Rockefeller or Business School. And it's probably been a while since they've attracted top-tier junior faculty -- that has to change.
  18. I agree completely - the game should be at SEFCU every other year. We'll sell it out and it will do a lot for on-campus support for the program. As it stands, Siena gets a lopsided benefit from the relationship that goes beyond the basketball program. Would Stony Brook play Manhattan this way ? (or substitute Buffalo / Canisus). I know the comparison isn't perfect, but pretty close.
  19. I've never really understood this. Siena is a fine school for a regional college. It's not Albany (like ESPN and CBS sports, I refuse to use the "U"), and I don't think it could ever be. Siena serves a largely local population with a decent undergraduate liberal arts program. Comparing it to Albany is, I suppose, like comparing Canisus to Buffalo or Manhattan to Stony Brook. What's the comparison ? There are other "national" small schools in the area, like Union and RPI (and maybe Skidmore) -- Siena isn't in that league and I don't think they pretend to be. Pick whatever axis you want - student body, doctoral programs, and, probably the most important, faculty strength (by all accounts we pay our junior faculty 30-40% more which does attract talent, and the tenured faculty are absolutely top tier). And here's a fun one for you - based on outcomes. Albany grads have about a 2x Siena ROI over their careers and higher starting and mid-career salaries. This shouldn't come as a surprise. http://www.payscale.com/college-education-value-2013 http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report-2014/full-list-of-schools And this is *before* we have an engineering school. My gosh - are we really that bothered by their basketball team ? The sports thing is fun -- the small regional college has, for them, a big-time basketball program. This makes them competitive with a next-door national university's "little time" mid-major program. I know Siena gets the "local love" from the hometown newspaper. Who cares ? When an academic David can keep pace with the academic Goliath -even if it's just in a sport or two - that should be fun. Maybe they'll "hang tough" and be the little school that could. That's great ! Now if it were Binghamton we were talking about....
  20. ok -- Portland is fantastic. We have a summer place in Cape Porpoise (about 40 min south) and love getting to Portland.We have more fun there than going out in Boston where we live during the year. Fore Street is a great restaurant - but there are really a bunch clustered, and the city is definitely worth walking around. There's a major road on the water, and if you walk away from the water by a block or two you will find some pretty interesting spots. We also like Duck Fat for lunch (very casual but good and somewhat unique).Acadia is great, but it's a haul and will be a fair bit colder than southern Maine.
  21. The Nanocollege most likely played no role in the rankings. The methodology was changed to put more weight on 'outcomes', so peer assessment counted for less, % graduating counted for more, class rank counted for less, and a few other tweaks to the method. Since the nanocollege had all of 140 undergraduates, and they haven't been there long enough to affect graduation rates, they had little to no effect. Also, in spite of the potentate, his 140 undegraduates do NOT have MIT or Stanford level grades. RPI, maybe (and RPI checks in at #41 - not top 20). If the college had STAYED part of UAlbany, grew its undergraduate program to, say, 500 students with stellar competitiveness and 95% four-year graduating rates, it would have helped UAlbany. Getting 'up there' is great, but I think increasingly these rankings are counting for less and less. Now that Stony Brook has shot past Binghamton, I think you're going to hear a LOT from Vestal about how rankings don't matter
  22. Just a question -- these recent articles have Albany's foundation at about $100M ($96M I think). If this is so, why does the school and wikipedia have the endowment at $35 ???? If this is correct, can someone please correct the wikpedia entry ? Reference is below (the current reference is a silly one in any case). This factors into US News rankings and AAU btw. You won't believe how these things take on a life of their own. According to the consolidated financials, total net assets of about $100M ($108). I realize this counts property, but looking at UBs it also appears they count property in the value (tough to really tell because none of the number line up for 2011/2012). SUNY Campus Foundation Net Assets Spending University at Albany $96.8 million $4.5 million Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Cash-muscle-in-SUNY-arms-4360494.php#ixzz2NzghYbqK
  23. The point of the Syracuse / ESF is not that it's a model we should follow, it's that it will be the model that the proponents of this split will cite as their operational example. They will also claim that the schools have been operating this way in "all but name", so let's make it official. Like the separated married couple finally, after years, getting a divorce. You may prefer the Michigan model -- great, when you are on the board of trustees be sure to bring it up. The ESF model is what is being used in conversation, so unless there's something critically wrong with it, expect to hear more about it. And the *point* of them using this model is to show how a specialized college and major university, with adjoining campuses, can have a strong symbiotic relationship. That Syracuse is private is immaterial to the conversation. It should also be noted that SUNY Upstate Medical Center is *another* quasi-example, having been purchased by the State from Syracuse University, and also adjoins the campus. We either have a voice in shaping this, or we choose not to. I don't think that the alumni can stop this from happening, and calling Cuomo a hypocrite (a novel accusation for a politician), saying the college Dean is making a power grab (another shocker), fails to make a compelling case. If AAU themselves came to SUNY and said this would hurt UAlbany's chances of admission, then, wow - that would be something. But (a) they won't, and ( they *have* said they significantly discount the industrial funding base when considering UAlbany and focus on federal research dollars. Why ? They claim the peer review process is a more honest assessment of the quality of research than industrial dollars, and, while you can quibble with it, at least this places universities on somewhat equal footing. Good news for UAlbany, by this metric (excluding nano funding) it's a top 100 and ahead of many AAU schools and some Ivy's (like Brown) *WITHOUT* Nano. The problem for UAlbany is not research dollars, and they may be on the path for AAU in either case. Only AAU can provide guidance. Second, what's in it for Nano to stay part of UAlbany ? Why did they split administratively in the first place with Alan reporting to the chancellor ? Why do they have their own budgets ? Own admission ? These are the points to be made in terms of re-consolidation. A few budget $$ won't go very far in a campus that's awash in money. They are a net-contributor to the coffers. So that's my take. We can kick and scream, or have a constructive voice in the future. I would vote for the latter and make sure that the relationship is one of unity in all-but-name.
  24. so -- let's be rational. These changes have the greatest chance of success when: -> They aren't viewed as changes at all, but a reflection of the status quo. Since Nanocollege has been 'operating independently', and differently than other UAlbany colleges, since the Dean is a co-equal with the University President, since the campus is self-contained, etc. this will be presented as a non-change. Or, rather, an administrative change that reflects the underlying reality. -> There is an existing model to follow, hence the reference to SUNY ESF at Syracuse. Adjoining campuses, shared coursework, even joint commencement and housing. All of the points are easily asked and answered with decades of similar success, and within the SUNY system no less. Likewise for replication of the entire administrative structure -- why ? The SUNY ESF/Syracuse Univ. relationship demonstrates that the cooperating institutions can make optimal use of each other's resources. Some other comments: -> If George Phillip told me this was coming a few years ago, you can better believe that President Jones knew about this when he took the position. How could it be otherwise ? -> Is it a power grab ? Sure, but the power was grabbed over the last few years. This is codification. -> Alumni donations would be affected, but they are anemic at UAlbany and have probably been dismissed as a consideration. So, what to do ? -> Fighting it "head on" is not likely to be successful since, although as alumni we are UAlbany stakeholders, only a large donor would be seriously listened to. -> Having a voice in shaping the UAlbany relationship to the Nanocollege is likely to be more effective. -> Seen the broader context, there seems to be an opportunity to shape something unique, not just with the Nanocollege, but also with Albany Med and Albany Law. Could this be used as a stepping stone to a tighter affiliation between these institutes that would strengthen all of them with UAlbany as an anchor ? Just my take. This still might be killed, but I can't see by whom. Most of the legislature and trustees wouldn't care. As for AAU membership, sure the Nanocollege helps (and it still might depending on the nature of joint research programs, etc.). But Albany attracts $106M according one of the articles. That's well within the range for AAU (above Brown, Brandeis, Rice, Oregon, Iowa State, Missouri) and that's still without any medical school (NIH) funding. So, quite substantial.
  25. That's a good point about the land. But it's funny -- look at their recent press releases calling it the "SUNY College of Nano, etc." without any reference to UAlbany. Maybe singling out Kayoleros is unfair; after all, he's done more for the school than any other single person since, likely, the 19th century. So I withdraw any implied criticism. Yes, SUNY has to change. No doubt about it.
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