Does anyone have a hanky they can give Mark?

[Clickclack]

As much as I don't like the manner in which Mark reports, this little feud probably isn't good for anyone. Mark is in a position to say what ever he wants from the soap box that is the TU. For instance his assertion that CB is giving the cold shoulder to other media outlets (never mind that CB is on Wylands show this morning), now he's been pissed off even more and he'll pour more dirt on the program.

[quackman]

quote]

 

The other tack UA could take on favorable journalistic coverage would be to borrow a page from Siena's book. Many Saints fans didn't like the publicity they were receiving in the Schenectady Gazette a few years ago, so they put a lot of pressure on the Siena beat writer to be "relieved" of his position. Maybe that's the "relief" UA fans should seek.

 

I believe this is wrong as the guy who was the Gazette's beat writer for Siena now works doing stats for Siena's men's and women's teams. You would think that if he was pushed out of a job because of how he wrote about the program, they wouldn't go out and hire him.

 

How bad do you think the relationship had to get to result in this post? Obviously, there is little chance that the relationship between Brown and Singlais can be salvaged now. to bosi, was Brown's appearance on Wyland today scheduled previously or was it scheduled yesterday in reaction to the TU's "shot across his bow"?

[Clickclack]

The other tack UA could take on favorable journalistic coverage would be to borrow a page from Siena's book. Many Saints fans didn't like the publicity they were receiving in the Schenectady Gazette a few years ago, so they put a lot of pressure on the Siena beat writer to be "relieved" of his position. Maybe that's the "relief" UA fans should seek.

 

 

I believe this is wrong as the guy who was the Gazette's beat writer for Siena now works doing stats for Siena's men's and women's teams. You would think that if he was pushed out of a job because of how he wrote about the program, they wouldn't go out and hire him.

 

How bad do you think the relationship had to get to result in this post? Obviously, there is little chance that the relationship between Brown and Singlais can be salvaged now. to bosi, was Brown's appearance on Wyland today scheduled previously or was it scheduled yesterday in reaction to the TU's "shot across his bow"?

 

quack,

 

I can honestly tell you I have no idea....perhaps someone else more connected to CB can answer that question....CB will be on at 10:45 as just announced by Wyland. It will be interesting to see if/what he has to say about the coverage provided by the TU.

[statefan]

Can't we just cut to the chase here?

 

Singelais doesn't really want to ask some generic question about summer classes and workouts; he could write that story just by reading Coach Brown's blog. Singelais really wants to ask about the scholarship situation and which of the 14 players (17 minus Puk, Iati and McCrae) is not on scholarship and how the entire situation fits into the NCAA regulations regarding recruited players, etc. To be honest, I'm curious about that as well. I'd imagine the questions have been vetted with the NCAA before Urli signed his NLOI.

[alum73]

Can't we just cut to the chase here?

 

Singelais doesn't really want to ask some generic question about summer classes and workouts; he could write that story just by reading Coach Brown's blog. Singelais really wants to ask about the scholarship situation and which of the 14 players (17 minus Puk, Iati and McCrae) is not on scholarship and how the entire situation fits into the NCAA regulations regarding recruited players, etc. To be honest, I'm curious about that as well. I'd imagine the questions have been vetted with the NCAA before Urli signed his NLOI.

 

I'm willing to wait and read the answers in the Gazette.

[Clickclack]

John Puk has apparently put on 30 pounds in the last couple of month's....CB said he's really been living in the weight room and is now at 240. 30 pounds of muscle....????

[UA_MA_2000]

The other tack UA could take on favorable journalistic coverage would be to borrow a page from Siena's book. Many Saints fans didn't like the publicity they were receiving in the Schenectady Gazette a few years ago, so they put a lot of pressure on the Siena beat writer to be "relieved" of his position. Maybe that's the "relief" UA fans should seek.

 

There might be some pages I'd like to borrow from Siena's book but that isn't one of them. I'm not advocating for anyone to lose their job, especially the ways things are right now.

 

I've been a fan of Coach Brown since day one but I'd call this one a double technical on both parties. For better or worse, talking to the media is part of his job. Probably not his favorite part, but still a part. I talk to a lot of clients every day that I'd much rather not talk but it comes with the territory.

 

It goes without saying I don't like the blog entry. It's not likely to improve anything and will probably makes things worse if that's possible . As a fan I'd like as much info as I can get and I think we're the ones who are missing out in this exchange.

 

To Soup, I generally enjoy reading your posts but if you keep using expressions like the one you used earlier the Soup era will not end well on this board.

 

 

Or this one.... UAlbany athletics second-to-last in America East GPA it's fine that he reported the facts, it is what it is but what....Ualbany 8th in America East GPA not descriptive enough.

 

 

He also said the basketball team finished 2nd. Not sure what the big deal is.

 

There is blame, I assume, on both sides of this. It was funny to me to see the two blog entries today - they were both, for the most part, daggers.

 

I.

I concur completely in DanePound's post above. Moreover, I do think Mark S. could have conveyed the same message without actually stating his conclusions and views in that blog entry. In other words, he could have simply stated that he has not been able to contact Coach Brown in "x" amount of time, etc., The conclusions that followed could have easily been drawn by the reader. Nonetheless ... see below points II and III.

 

II.

Second, as to the article on GPA, I have no issue with it. The article stated facts that, I, for one, am interested in learning about. And the article noted with bold emphasis the fact that UAlbany basketball nearly finished first. Given that the blog postings are usually basketball-related, I simply don't have a problem with the article. Yes, the article could have used the phrase "finished 8th" instead of "finished second to last," etc. Nevertheless, isn't this simply a matter of style in the final analysis? The vast majority of readers on that blog know how many teams are in the America East, so I just don't take issue with how Mark S. phrased it.

 

III.

As to the blog entry by Mark S. of this week, I first note that I respectfully disagree with a lot of the unconstructive criticism going around by (and regarding) all persons (perhaps even by me in the past). Though, as I pointed out in "I," and as DP already eluded to above, I think the same message could have been conveyed in Mark S.'s blog entry in a much more subtle manner.

 

I also just want to state that I enjoy reading Mark S.'s blog entries; enjoy reading whatever information the Times Union provides regarding UAlbany athletics in general (including the basketball team); and I very much enjoy reading Coach Brown's blog entries on his website. In fact, part of my daily ritual, so to speak, is to check the aforementioned sources to see whether there are any updates.

 

Finally, as to criticism of the Times Union and its writers, I wouldn't be the person to ask as to the nature and quality of their coverage, as others here can provide a more informed view (unfortunately, most likely only after expounding paragraphs of venomous diatribe). But it seems to me that a lot of the negativity expressed (i.e., "Times Useless" and even the caption/title of this thread) --- whether justified or not --- is probably not the best way to proceed.

 

Where am I going wrong?

[Patch]

Brown was on Wyland's Big Board Sports Radio show at 10:45 this morning, he seemed very up beat and was informative.

 

Aronhalt is healing well and should be able to start full workouts around Aug. 1

 

Lindfors spent his redshirt year lifting and should help with his outside shooting ability

 

Puk may make it tough to be redshirted as he has put on 30lbs (240) and is playing well according to his teammates

 

Metcalf is a banger who will probably fight for time as a freshman

 

Urli will not report to UA until Aug so he can spend time with his family in Croatia

 

He also said good things about Freshman Black, Tartt and Watts

 

Also Jacob Iati will use his sit out year to get stronger - he's more a PG then Jon, can shoot it well and knows how to play.

 

Brown took the high road and never mentioned Singelais or hinted at anything negative

 

He said he doesn't anticipate playing at the TUC but it's always a possibility

 

That's about all I can remember from their conversation.

[Dane96]

John Puk has apparently put on 30 pounds in the last couple of month's....CB said he's really been living in the weight room and is now at 240. 30 pounds of muscle....????

 

Excellent news...and not a shock.

 

I went from 155 to 183 in 4 months when I first came to Albany...au naturale. When you are that young-- and depending on genetics-- your natural testosterone (sp?) levels are very high. Heck, I am training for a summit attempt on Mt. Ranier. In 6 weeks I dropped from 175 with a high body fat...down to 158...and back up to 171 with low body fat (meaning I put on muscle).

 

These kids work harder than any of us do in the weight room.

[Dane96]

The other tack UA could take on favorable journalistic coverage would be to borrow a page from Siena's book. Many Saints fans didn't like the publicity they were receiving in the Schenectady Gazette a few years ago, so they put a lot of pressure on the Siena beat writer to be "relieved" of his position. Maybe that's the "relief" UA fans should seek.

 

There might be some pages I'd like to borrow from Siena's book but that isn't one of them. I'm not advocating for anyone to lose their job, especially the ways things are right now.

 

I've been a fan of Coach Brown since day one but I'd call this one a double technical on both parties. For better or worse, talking to the media is part of his job. Probably not his favorite part, but still a part. I talk to a lot of clients every day that I'd much rather not talk but it comes with the territory.

 

It goes without saying I don't like the blog entry. It's not likely to improve anything and will probably makes things worse if that's possible . As a fan I'd like as much info as I can get and I think we're the ones who are missing out in this exchange.

 

To Soup, I generally enjoy reading your posts but if you keep using expressions like the one you used earlier the Soup era will not end well on this board.

 

 

Or this one.... UAlbany athletics second-to-last in America East GPA it's fine that he reported the facts, it is what it is but what....Ualbany 8th in America East GPA not descriptive enough.

 

 

He also said the basketball team finished 2nd. Not sure what the big deal is.

 

There is blame, I assume, on both sides of this. It was funny to me to see the two blog entries today - they were both, for the most part, daggers.

 

I.

I concur completely in DanePound's post above. Moreover, I do think Mark S. could have conveyed the same message without actually stating his conclusions and views in that blog entry. In other words, he could have simply stated that he has not been able to contact Coach Brown in "x" amount of time, etc., The conclusions that followed could have easily been drawn by the reader. Nonetheless ... see below points II and III.

 

II.

As to the article on GPA, I have no issue with it. The article stated facts that, I, for one, am interested in learning about. And the article noted with bold emphasis the fact that UAlbany basketball nearly finished first. Given that the blog postings are usually basketball-related, I simply don't have a problem with the article. Yes, the article could have used the phrase "finished 8th" instead of "finished second to last," etc. Nevertheless, isn't this simply a matter of style in the final analysis? The vast majority of readers on that blog know how many teams are in the America East, so I just don't take issue with how Mark S. phrased it.

 

III.

As to the blog entry by Mark S. of this week, I first note that I respectfully disagree with a lot of the unconstructive criticism going around by (and regarding) all persons (perhaps even by me in the past). Though, as I pointed out in "I," and as DP already eluded to above, I think the same message could have been conveyed in Mark S.'s blog entry in a much more subtle manner.

 

Second, I just want to state that I enjoy reading Mark S.'s blog entries; enjoy reading whatever information the Times Union provides regarding UAlbany athletics in general (including the basketball team); and I very much enjoy reading Coach Brown's blog entries on his website. In fact, part of my daily ritual, so to speak, is to check the aforementioned sources to see whether there are any updates (I do so daily!).

 

Finally, as to criticism of the Times Union and its writers, I wouldn't be the person to ask as to the nature and quality of their coverage, as others here can provide a more informed view (unfortunately, most likely only after expounding paragraphs of venomous diatribe). But it seems to me that a lot of the negativity expressed (i.e., "Times Useless" and even the caption/title of this thread) --- whether justified or not --- is probably not the best way to proceed.

 

Where am I going wrong?

 

 

You aren't wrong, however many of us have a different view of it than you do because you have not been around the Capital District long enough. Bing THAT...I will not apologize nor kiss the ass of the TU...it is a rag. As an academic, I am shocked you dont see the cowtowing to Siena. I have been associated with UA for 18 years now. THE TU HAS REGULARLY LOOKED TO KNOCK DOWN UA...and EVEN MORE SO WITH THE TUC NAMING RIGHTS.

 

Frankly speaking...MARK IS NOT A GOOD REPORTER. He has pissed off numerous people...is lazy with his research...and covers the UA programs as he pleases. Tell me a comparision article showing that Albany, finishing with a 2.92 in the America East, is still above average and...moreso...that if you compare the academics of similarly situated leagues...finishing 8th in the AE is still something to be proud of, wouldn't have been a better article. It would have shown we have work to do to finish at top of the AE (negative because our grades are at the bottom) but we are still doing better than our peers (positive).

 

Furthermore, he could have went on to do a demographic study.

 

Bottom line-- IT WAS LAZY REPORTING. Fact is, a monkey could get facts and put it on paper. YOU WOULD BE FIRED AS A LAWYER IF YOU DIDNT STATE FACTS AND USED THE WORD "BECAUSE" AT LEAST 50 TIMES IN A DAY.

 

Mark isnt reporting-- he is regurgitating.

 

WELL DONE (insert sarcasm) MARK. So, that is where we (UA_MA and I) differ on the subject.

 

I

[Dane96]

Brown was on Wyland's Big Board Sports Radio show at 10:45 this morning, he seemed very up beat and was informative.

 

Aronhalt is healing well and should be able to start full workouts around Aug. 1

 

Lindfors spent his redshirt year lifting and should help with his outside shooting ability

 

Puk may make it tough to be redshirted as he has put on 30lbs (240) and is playing well according to his teammates

 

Metcalf is a banger who will probably fight for time as a freshman

 

Urli will not report to UA until Aug so he can spend time with his family in Croatia

 

He also said good things about Freshman Black, Tartt and Watts

 

Also Jacob Iati will use his sit out year to get stronger - he's more a PG then Jon, can shoot it well and knows how to play.

 

Brown took the high road and never mentioned Singelais or hinted at anything negative

 

He said he doesn't anticipate playing at the TUC but it's always a possibility

 

That's about all I can remember from their conversation.

 

Excellent News!!!

 

Nothing on Glanton?

 

As for URLI-- grrr...jealous. I spent two weeks in Croatia last summer and it wasnt long enough. Hope he has a good time and comes back ready to rock!

[Clickclack]

The other tack UA could take on favorable journalistic coverage would be to borrow a page from Siena's book. Many Saints fans didn't like the publicity they were receiving in the Schenectady Gazette a few years ago, so they put a lot of pressure on the Siena beat writer to be "relieved" of his position. Maybe that's the "relief" UA fans should seek.

 

There might be some pages I'd like to borrow from Siena's book but that isn't one of them. I'm not advocating for anyone to lose their job, especially the ways things are right now.

 

I've been a fan of Coach Brown since day one but I'd call this one a double technical on both parties. For better or worse, talking to the media is part of his job. Probably not his favorite part, but still a part. I talk to a lot of clients every day that I'd much rather not talk but it comes with the territory.

 

It goes without saying I don't like the blog entry. It's not likely to improve anything and will probably makes things worse if that's possible . As a fan I'd like as much info as I can get and I think we're the ones who are missing out in this exchange.

 

To Soup, I generally enjoy reading your posts but if you keep using expressions like the one you used earlier the Soup era will not end well on this board.

 

 

Or this one.... UAlbany athletics second-to-last in America East GPA it's fine that he reported the facts, it is what it is but what....Ualbany 8th in America East GPA not descriptive enough.

 

 

He also said the basketball team finished 2nd. Not sure what the big deal is.

 

There is blame, I assume, on both sides of this. It was funny to me to see the two blog entries today - they were both, for the most part, daggers.

 

I.

I concur completely in DanePound's post above. Moreover, I do think Mark S. could have conveyed the same message without actually stating his conclusions and views in that blog entry. In other words, he could have simply stated that he has not been able to contact Coach Brown in "x" amount of time, etc., The conclusions that followed could have easily been drawn by the reader. Nonetheless ... see below points II and III.

 

II.

As to the article on GPA, I have no issue with it. The article stated facts that, I, for one, am interested in learning about. And the article noted with bold emphasis the fact that UAlbany basketball nearly finished first. Given that the blog postings are usually basketball-related, I simply don't have a problem with the article. Yes, the article could have used the phrase "finished 8th" instead of "finished second to last," etc. Nevertheless, isn't this simply a matter of style in the final analysis? The vast majority of readers on that blog know how many teams are in the America East, so I just don't take issue with how Mark S. phrased it.

 

III.

As to the blog entry by Mark S. of this week, I first note that I respectfully disagree with a lot of the unconstructive criticism going around by (and regarding) all persons (perhaps even by me in the past). Though, as I pointed out in "I," and as DP already eluded to above, I think the same message could have been conveyed in Mark S.'s blog entry in a much more subtle manner.

 

Second, I just want to state that I enjoy reading Mark S.'s blog entries; enjoy reading whatever information the Times Union provides regarding UAlbany athletics in general (including the basketball team); and I very much enjoy reading Coach Brown's blog entries on his website. In fact, part of my daily ritual, so to speak, is to check the aforementioned sources to see whether there are any updates (I do so daily!).

 

Finally, as to criticism of the Times Union and its writers, I wouldn't be the person to ask as to the nature and quality of their coverage, as others here can provide a more informed view (unfortunately, most likely only after expounding paragraphs of venomous diatribe). But it seems to me that a lot of the negativity expressed (i.e., "Times Useless" and even the caption/title of this thread) --- whether justified or not --- is probably not the best way to proceed.

 

Where am I going wrong?

 

UA_MA,

 

With all due respect, I do not share your opinion on this subject. Mark and the TU have gone significantly out of their way to highlight the negatives and downplay the positives at UA. The crime maps, the scholarship counts etc. I respect your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it but I know you are in the minority.

[Patch]

Nothing on Glanton? - D96

 

Not that I recall, I posted off the top of my head.

 

I think Brown didn't expect to go into individuals until Rodger asked and then he just went with it.

[UAalum72]

as I mentioned in the TUC thread, the schedule should be out in two weeks - a couple of more contracts need to be returned.

[UA_MA_2000]

The other tack UA could take on favorable journalistic coverage would be to borrow a page from Siena's book. Many Saints fans didn't like the publicity they were receiving in the Schenectady Gazette a few years ago, so they put a lot of pressure on the Siena beat writer to be "relieved" of his position. Maybe that's the "relief" UA fans should seek.

 

There might be some pages I'd like to borrow from Siena's book but that isn't one of them. I'm not advocating for anyone to lose their job, especially the ways things are right now.

 

I've been a fan of Coach Brown since day one but I'd call this one a double technical on both parties. For better or worse, talking to the media is part of his job. Probably not his favorite part, but still a part. I talk to a lot of clients every day that I'd much rather not talk but it comes with the territory.

 

It goes without saying I don't like the blog entry. It's not likely to improve anything and will probably makes things worse if that's possible . As a fan I'd like as much info as I can get and I think we're the ones who are missing out in this exchange.

 

To Soup, I generally enjoy reading your posts but if you keep using expressions like the one you used earlier the Soup era will not end well on this board.

 

 

Or this one.... UAlbany athletics second-to-last in America East GPA it's fine that he reported the facts, it is what it is but what....Ualbany 8th in America East GPA not descriptive enough.

 

 

He also said the basketball team finished 2nd. Not sure what the big deal is.

 

There is blame, I assume, on both sides of this. It was funny to me to see the two blog entries today - they were both, for the most part, daggers.

 

I.

I concur completely in DanePound's post above. Moreover, I do think Mark S. could have conveyed the same message without actually stating his conclusions and views in that blog entry. In other words, he could have simply stated that he has not been able to contact Coach Brown in "x" amount of time, etc., The conclusions that followed could have easily been drawn by the reader. Nonetheless ... see below points II and III.

 

II.

As to the article on GPA, I have no issue with it. The article stated facts that, I, for one, am interested in learning about. And the article noted with bold emphasis the fact that UAlbany basketball nearly finished first. Given that the blog postings are usually basketball-related, I simply don't have a problem with the article. Yes, the article could have used the phrase "finished 8th" instead of "finished second to last," etc. Nevertheless, isn't this simply a matter of style in the final analysis? The vast majority of readers on that blog know how many teams are in the America East, so I just don't take issue with how Mark S. phrased it.

 

III.

As to the blog entry by Mark S. of this week, I first note that I respectfully disagree with a lot of the unconstructive criticism going around by (and regarding) all persons (perhaps even by me in the past). Though, as I pointed out in "I," and as DP already eluded to above, I think the same message could have been conveyed in Mark S.'s blog entry in a much more subtle manner.

 

Second, I just want to state that I enjoy reading Mark S.'s blog entries; enjoy reading whatever information the Times Union provides regarding UAlbany athletics in general (including the basketball team); and I very much enjoy reading Coach Brown's blog entries on his website. In fact, part of my daily ritual, so to speak, is to check the aforementioned sources to see whether there are any updates (I do so daily!).

 

Finally, as to criticism of the Times Union and its writers, I wouldn't be the person to ask as to the nature and quality of their coverage, as others here can provide a more informed view (unfortunately, most likely only after expounding paragraphs of venomous diatribe). But it seems to me that a lot of the negativity expressed (i.e., "Times Useless" and even the caption/title of this thread) --- whether justified or not --- is probably not the best way to proceed.

 

Where am I going wrong?

 

UA_MA,

 

With all due respect, I do not share your opinion on this subject. Mark and the TU have gone significantly out of their way to highlight the negatives and downplay the positives at UA. The crime maps, the scholarship counts etc. I respect your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it but I know you are in the minority.

 

We, of course, can agree to disagree. I'm glad you provided examples in your post, and your comment helps me with understanding the views expressed herein. You are certainly correct that the TU has indeed published articles on the, for the sake of argument, "negative" topics that you cited. Where I perhaps diverge or at least pause for further reflection pertains to the issue of whether "Mark and the TU have gone significantly out of their way to highlight the negatives and downplay the positives at UA."

 

At this particular point, I view the issue differently, but I could and perhaps would come around to your (and others') view if I knew what it meant to go "significantly out of their way" and what it also means to "highlight" the aforementioned arguably negative topics. Said differently, absent some standard with which to measure the TU's reporting and alleged bias and animus towards UA, I am hesitant to label and conclude that the TU's reporting reflects a bias or animus as to UAlbany.

 

But again, I certainly am open to changing my mind if anyone can help me out with a standard by which we can evaluate the TU's reporting of UAlbany generally (and its athletics). I think the strongest argument here that I would concede is that at times the TU sports writers author articles on, e.g., grades or other non-academic topics that might reflect poorly on the university; however, these are student athletes and not athlete students, so articles on, for example, grades is certainly germane to discussion of our athletic program (in my view).

 

UAlbany is a vital part of UAlbany's social, cultural, political, and economic scene, so I think some of the topics that the TU has covered are ripe and due for discussion and publication. To what extent the discussion and publication reveals bias against UAlbany, I simply cannot say unless someone can, as I stated above, suggest a standard with which we can evaluate the TU's articles with.

 

To support your view, however, if the vast majority of UAlbany fans perceive a bias against UAlbany at the hands of the Times Union and its writers, then regardless of whether that is objectively true or not, I would think that the perceptions of a large segment of its readers is an issue that the TU should take seriously and promptly!