I don't "get" Brown's seating issue.

[MaacGruff]

He's really pushed hard to end the series between Siena/Albany.

 

The ends of the lower bowl were split evenly between both schools on Saturday. Both ends of the upper bowl were 1/2 filled. UAlbany had equal shot of side seating in the upper bowl and there was a fair amount of purple up there. My season tickets are upstairs at nearly 1/2 court and I know there are a ton of seats available to those looking for them.

 

That leaves Brown eye-balling the sides of the lower bowl? Right where the vast majority of season ticket holders view a game?

 

Look, dropping the game does not equate to a loss of 13K tickets. Siena will add another game next season that will draw 8K anyway and they will not risk angering season buyers over the difference.

 

It really appears UAlbany wants to back away from this annual event.

 

Evidently you have not been paying close attention to the messages made by various posters on the UA, Siena, or AE boards, or you would not come over here with your ridiculous accusation.

 

I don't know exactly where you sit for Siena games, but I have not had a comfortable seat in the arena since the series began in 2001. This year I decided to forgo my attendance at the game for that very reason, my first absense since the new inter-school series began.

 

I refuse to pay more than twice the price I paid at UA for vastly inferior seating at the TUC. Last year I sat at one of the ends in an extremely cramped seat made even more uncomfortable because I was on a corner where the seats on either side of me were angled in toward my seat. I have flown on coach on various airlines, not exactly known for Lazy-Boy comfort, and found each airline offering more comfort than my seat at the TUC.

 

My view of the game was from a long distance behind the net. Action at most spots on the floor required binoculars to get a decent view. These are just two reasons why seeing a game at the TUC for many UA fans is not ideal. I could go on.

 

Do regular-season Siena fans have to put up with such circumstances? I think not. The season ticket holders receive prime seats along both long sides of the court. The seats are not squished together as they are on the ends. The spectators have a clear view of the court.

 

Unless the contract is renegotiated, as a UA fan, I will NEVER have the opportunity to have a much better seat. It is an insult to suggest that UA fans have to put up more money each and every year to attend that spectacle.

 

Judging by the comments I see here and over on the Siena board from Siena ticket holders, they would scream bloody murder if they were forced to give up their privileged places in the TUC. Countless Siena fans have made their views known about a possible change in seating patterns.

 

Siena does not now or ever had contracts with other schools that demanded that only one team be designated the home team, with all its inherent privileges. People over on your board complained about how they were seldom the home team in your series with Syracuse. I have been waiting now for 7 years to have a decent seat at a Siena game. How about giving up your prime seat every other year and go sit way up in the upper bowl or in the far corners of either bowl? I doubt that you will like your place.

 

You do not seem to view negotiations as a two-way street. You seem to be content to stick it to UA fans every year. Coach Brown has tried to change the situation, and he has suggested a couple methods to remedy it. You should listen more carefully to what he and Dane fans want to change. You choose instead to misplace the blame and make Brown responsible for a poor situation.

 

Another unfair aspect of the game as it is played is the revenue. UA fans bought all of the 1,600 tickets made available to the school several days before the game. By even conservative standards, UA fans made up 5,000-5,,500 fans there. That means that at least 3,400-3,900 UA fans had to purchase their tickets from either Siena itself or through the TUC, both places handing the revenue over to Siena. And this phenomenon happens every year. That situation is not fair, and it must be changed.

 

Your AD has gone on public record last week, saying that he thinks the current unfair contract does not need to be changed. I hope his more private stance is more reasonable; otherwise, his intransigent public stance shows a great lack of flexibility to modify the current terms. You should blame him and him alone if the games are not played in the future.

 

As stated, my season seat is upper bowl. Over the years I've had upper and lower seats. The upper bowl ends are not ideal for anyone but equal oppurtunity. Your complaints about sitting on the corners in the lower bowl are overblown. I've sat in them. Try weight watchers.

[MaacGruff]

Another unfair aspect of the game as it is played is the revenue. UA fans bought all of the 1,600 tickets made available to the school several days before the game. By even conservative standards, UA fans made up 5,000-5,,500 fans there. That means that at least 3,400-3,900 UA fans had to purchase their tickets from either Siena itself or through the TUC, both places handing the revenue over to Siena. And this phenomenon happens every year. That situation is not fair, and it must be changed.

 

there you go! Thats what I was going to say also. I doesn't matter if UAlbany brought 5,000 fans, only 1,600 of the tickets mean money for UA. Everything else goes to Siena. You can't say this is a game for the city of Albany if one team is always taking home the bacon.

 

Agree, you should have more tickets to enhance finances. But not seats belonging to season holders.

[bob87]

Have hit the road for tons of away games in the past and accepted the seating. NJIT was a one time fluke and booking two games yearly with Albany will kill the event.

Doesn't have to be twice in one year, just asking for a home-and-home. NJIT is no fluke in that way - in the past few years you've also played home-and-away against Vermont, Monmouth, Dartmouth (830 fans) and a non-return game AT Winthrop. Why can you play in Hanover, NH but not on Western Avenue?

 

 

Exactly the dead horse I have been beating over and over. You got to be pretty dumb not to understand. Siena is not going to be able to replace a 2 game home series over a 2 year period that draws 20,000 fans with anything even remotely close. Most likely would be a home and home with someone that wouldn't come close to 10,000 fans a game, but it is possible a road series with someone to make up the money. Now I am sure Siena fans wouldn't mind one less home game in a season with no lowering of the ticket prices and we all know how popular NJIT and other lesser opponents are with Siena fans.

[UAlbany09]

You guys think you have a BIG TIME PROGRAM so build a 15K arena to support it. Then talk about home/away. Better yet, talk to the TU and steal the arena downtown. Cannot wait for the TUC response.

 

A student body 3-4 times the size of Siena and your pep band is 1/2 the size by comparison. No student support. No Alum support as witnessed Saturday.

 

And versus Siena? Next to no wins!!!!!!

 

Forget it!!!

 

 

 

 

It seems like you're implying that the TUC was built specifically to house the Siena basketball team. The only reason your team plays in that place is because your small eye sore of a school can't afford or is otherwise unable to build a real home. Instead you're placed in a cavernous arena that on most occasions isn't even half or even a third full. UAlbany has no interest in using the TUC as their home arena since they already have their own home on their own campus. It's a place that has a real atmosphere. You want to talk about a 6th man, come on over to the SEFCU. If your school had such great alumni and community support then you'd have your own place. But you don't, and you probably never will. Only the biggest programs in this country can support filling 15K seat arenas. Siena isn't one of them. Your team is like a bastard child left out on the street with nowhere else to go.

[MaacGruff]

He's really pushed hard to end the series between Siena/Albany.

 

The ends of the lower bowl were split evenly between both schools on Saturday. Both ends of the upper bowl were 1/2 filled. UAlbany had equal shot of side seating in the upper bowl and there was a fair amount of purple up there. My season tickets are upstairs at nearly 1/2 court and I know there are a ton of seats available to those looking for them.

 

That leaves Brown eye-balling the sides of the lower bowl? Right where the vast majority of season ticket holders view a game?

 

Look, dropping the game does not equate to a loss of 13K tickets. Siena will add another game next season that will draw 8K anyway and they will not risk angering season buyers over the difference.

 

It really appears UAlbany wants to back away from this annual event.

 

Are you people that Binging dense?

 

What is 13,262 minus 6,600 something, which number includes the 1000+ or so "FORCED SALE" seats to the box holders.

 

I dunno, I will do the math: 13,200-5600 (I am being generous on the box seats) is 7,200.

 

7,200 x20 (average ticket price) is 148,000.

 

Where is Siena generating that lost revenue?

 

This lack of forsight by both the codgers, such as you MAACGRUFF, and D'Argenio (nice marketing job with the baggies, the Gold out, etc) is the EXACT reason SIENA IS A ONE TRICK PONY.

 

I am not sure where you expect to make up, 148k in lost revenue, but it certainly will have to COME AS TWO ROAD GAMES. Then you can sit on your precious ass, that may get chapped because it is moved at the TUC for the Albany game, and watch the game from your 44.95 all season access pass via a 14inch computer monitor.

 

I have to say, but for a handful of Siena posters, I wouldn't want many making business decisions for me.

 

Because Siena will avg. over 7K anyway and you've forgotten albany wants an increased percentage of gate. Money Siena loses playing you or not. So the smaller additional loss can be prevented by pissing of season ticket holders? If you had substantial season ticket sales you'd get it?

 

It's tough looking at business choices when you have a weak hand.

[olddog71]

Since when does Siena get to be the home team every year? You still haven't answered that question. Pretty presumptuous for a college that only RENTS the facilities.

 

Since when do Siena seson ticket holders ALWAYS get the best seats. You haven't answered that question. What about UA season ticket holders? Do you have a similar arrangement with any other school? We all know the answer to that question.

 

Everyone today - black, white, brown, purple - admires Rosa Parks for taking a stand against an unfair situation. Well, I don't want to be relegated to the ends of the arena every year.

 

YOU started this thread today by criticizing Coach Brown for his complaints about the current deal. Now you admit that maybe UA should have the right to sell more tickets, so I guess maybe he has some justification for his stand after all.

 

What about parents of away players? Should they always have to sit in inferior seats? At UA and other schools with which I am familiar, seats right behind the away bench are given to people from the away school. Why is Siena different?

 

Try Weight Watchers for your fat head!

 

I look forward to the day when all the old bags - plastic and otherwise - get ejected from the TUC.

[UAalum72]

It's tough looking at business choices when you have a weak hand.

Not a tough choice at all if Albany only gets 1,400 or 3,000 seats to sell.

 

If it's an Albany home game at the TUC, you can find your own seats. Otherwise you won't have to move the baggies for one game a year.

[Clickclack]

UA has 1900 season ticket holders while I though Siena had 2400. Is the Siena number factually accurate? And if it is....why is MaaGruff mouthing off....."If you had substantial season ticket sales you'd get it?"

[bob87]

The only reason your team plays in that place is because your small eye sore of a school can't afford or is otherwise unable to build a real home.

 

 

I am pretty sure Siena could afford to build an on campus arena. Now, whether or not they would be allowed to put lights inside the building or be allowed to build a parking lot for 8,000 fans, well that is another story. :rolleyes:

[Dane96]

He's really pushed hard to end the series between Siena/Albany.

 

The ends of the lower bowl were split evenly between both schools on Saturday. Both ends of the upper bowl were 1/2 filled. UAlbany had equal shot of side seating in the upper bowl and there was a fair amount of purple up there. My season tickets are upstairs at nearly 1/2 court and I know there are a ton of seats available to those looking for them.

 

That leaves Brown eye-balling the sides of the lower bowl? Right where the vast majority of season ticket holders view a game?

 

Look, dropping the game does not equate to a loss of 13K tickets. Siena will add another game next season that will draw 8K anyway and they will not risk angering season buyers over the difference.

 

It really appears UAlbany wants to back away from this annual event.

 

Are you people that Binging dense?

 

What is 13,262 minus 6,600 something, which number includes the 1000+ or so "FORCED SALE" seats to the box holders.

 

I dunno, I will do the math: 13,200-5600 (I am being generous on the box seats) is 7,200.

 

7,200 x20 (average ticket price) is 148,000.

 

Where is Siena generating that lost revenue?

 

This lack of forsight by both the codgers, such as you MAACGRUFF, and D'Argenio (nice marketing job with the baggies, the Gold out, etc) is the EXACT reason SIENA IS A ONE TRICK PONY.

 

I am not sure where you expect to make up, 148k in lost revenue, but it certainly will have to COME AS TWO ROAD GAMES. Then you can sit on your precious ass, that may get chapped because it is moved at the TUC for the Albany game, and watch the game from your 44.95 all season access pass via a 14inch computer monitor.

 

I have to say, but for a handful of Siena posters, I wouldn't want many making business decisions for me.

 

Because Siena will avg. over 7K anyway and you've forgotten albany wants an increased percentage of gate. Money Siena loses playing you or not. So the smaller additional loss can be prevented by pissing of season ticket holders? If you had substantial season ticket sales you'd get it?

 

It's tough looking at business choices when you have a weak hand.

 

 

Guy...I look at multi-million dollar deals each day. I think I understand business.

 

Siena will average over 7k? IN what lifetime.

 

You're a joke.

[bob87]

Because Siena will avg. over 7K anyway and you've forgotten albany wants an increased percentage of gate. Money Siena loses playing you or not. So the smaller additional loss can be prevented by pissing of season ticket holders? If you had substantial season ticket sales you'd get it?

 

It's tough looking at business choices when you have a weak hand.

 

 

This makes no sense. So LCC would rather have a home and home and MAYBE draw 7,000 in one game than make some sort of home and home arrangement with another team where they could draw 11,000 at higher prices. Well lets go for the gusto here and schedule NJIT for another home and home and get the attendance down to 4,000 at lower prices. You will lose less money that way. What a joke.

[danes05]

Who is this clown MaacGruff?

If you have another dumb thought go post it on the Siena board. Otherwise have some facts ready to back yourself up.

[GODANESGO]

UA has 1900 season ticket holders while I though Siena had 2400. Is the Siena number factually accurate? And if it is....why is MaaGruff mouthing off....."If you had substantial season ticket sales you'd get it?"

 

And that 2400 total is with an increase of 200+ over last year. The myth of a vastly larger Siena season ticket holder base will soon enough evaporate..along with the myth that the MAAC is a stronger basketball conference (are they actually stronger in ANY sport?..maybe baseball??) than the America East.

 

The true facts point to the opposite in both cases.

[olddog71]

. . . And that 2400 total is with an increase of 200+ over last year. The myth of a vastly larger Siena season ticket holder base will soon enough evaporate..along with the myth that the MAAC is a stronger basketball conference (are they actually stronger in ANY sport?..maybe baseball??) than the America East.

 

The true facts point to the opposite in both cases.

No, the MAAC is kicking out its best baseball school very soon, maybe this coming season. It is LeMoyne, a Division II, school in almost every other sport. Not a good commentary on the MAAC.

[Patch]

Gentlemen - do what you want to do but I would just say IGNORE MaacGruff. He exudes ignorance and is just here to agitate. It is evident he has no common sense.

 

In other words he is typical Siena.

 

Let it go MaacGruff. Go home to your own board.

 

The ADs and the politicos will decide this one.

 

See $iena

 

vs. Top 20 6,000+

 

vs. UA 13,000+