mbb 2022 Game #6: 11/21/22 - 12:00PM vs Austin Peay (Sunshine Slam)

[godanesgo99]

23 minutes ago, UA'08 said:

Might be the optimism on my part, but seems like this is something that can be corrected. If the team was getting blown out every game from beginning to end then it would be a bigger problem.

100% agree. Thus my post on giving time to DK to learn and grow as a head coach instead of calling for his head now. The ability to calm and inspire your team takes time to learn. (disclaimer: unless the lawsuit brings out more than what we know today and isn't just sour grapes for an incident that I don't think was that bad the way it has been explained to me)

Edited November 21, 2022 by godanesgo99

[Eli]

UAlbany Wins																																			
** Albany stats are the left side in each grouping **																																			
Opponent	Type	LOC	ATN	PTS		FGM		FGA		FG%		3PTM		3PTA		3PT%		FTM		FTA		FT%		REB		AST		STL		BLK		TO		FOUL	
Immaculata	OOC	Away	250	74	47	28	17	54	39	51.9%	43.6%	10	3	25	12	40.0%	25.0%	8	10	17	25	47.1%	40.0%	42	20	19	8	11	16	0	4	24	22	23	17
Union		OOC	Home	500	87	75	30	29	60	61	50.0%	47.5%	9	5	24	12	37.5%	41.7%	18	12	24	14	75.0%	85.7%	37	30	17	17	7	4	5	2	12	15	16	18
																																			
Tot. W		OOC		750	161	122	58	46	114	100	50.9%	46.0%	19	8	49	24	38.8%	33.3%	26	22	41	39	63.4%	56.4%	79	50	36	25	18	20	5	6	36	37	39	35
Avg. W		OOC		375.0	80.5	61.0	29.0	23.0	57.0	50.0	50.9%	46.0%	9.5	4.0	24.5	12.0	38.8%	33.3%	13.0	11.0	20.5	19.5	63.4%	56.4%	39.5	25.0	18.0	12.5	9.0	10.0	2.5	3.0	18.0	18.5	19.5	17.5
																																			
UAlbany Losses																																			
** Albany stats are the left side in each grouping **																																			
Opponent	Type	LOC	ATN	PTS		FGM		FGA		FG%		3PTM		3PTA		3PT%		FTM		FTA		FT%		REB		AST		STL		BLK		TO		FOUL	
Towson		OOC	Away	3242	62	67	19	23	53	53	35.8%	43.4%	10	3	31	12	32.3%	25.0%	14	18	18	21	77.8%	85.7%	34	32	14	13	5	6	4	3	15	13	21	16
Siena		OOC	Away	9561	62	75	21	23	54	54	38.9%	42.6%	8	9	22	17	36.4%	52.9%	12	20	18	33	66.7%	60.6%	30	42	7	14	4	4	3	5	12	13	27	18
St. Josephs	OOC	Away	1452	79	99	25	31	60	55	41.7%	56.4%	9	12	27	26	33.3%	46.2%	20	25	29	43	69.0%	58.1%	34	38	12	16	7	10	1	1	12	12	29	27
Austin Peay	OOC	Away	-	59	74	20	24	48	49	41.7%	49.0%	5	3	22	13	22.7%	23.1%	14	23	21	27	66.7%	85.2%	31	30	12	11	3	2	1	3	15	8	24	18
																																		
Tot. L		OOC		14255	262	315	85	101	215	211	39.5%	47.9%	32	27	102	68	31.4%	39.7%	60	86	86	124	69.8%	69.4%	129	142	45	54	19	22	9	12	54	46	101	79
Avg. L		OOC		3563.8	65.5	78.8	21.3	25.3	53.8	52.8	39.5%	47.9%	8.0	6.8	25.5	17.0	31.4%	39.7%	15.0	21.5	21.5	31.0	69.8%	69.4%	32.3	35.5	11.3	13.5	4.8	5.5	2.3	3.0	13.5	11.5	25.3	19.8
																																			
Tot. (all)			15005	423	437	143	147	329	311	1	1	51	35	151	92	1	1	86	108	127	163	1	1	208	192	81	79	37	42	14	18	90	83	140	114
Avg. (all)			2500.8	70.5	72.8	23.8	24.5	54.8	51.8	43.3%	47.1%	8.5	5.8	25.2	15.3	33.7%	35.6%	14.3	18.0	21.2	27.2	67.0%	69.2%	34.7	32.0	13.5	13.2	6.2	7.0	2.3	3.0	15.0	13.8	23.3	19.0
			LOC	ATN	PTS		FGM		FGA		FG%		3PTM		3PTA		3PT%		FTM		FTA		FT%		REB		AST		STL		BLK		TO		FOUL	

 

[Eli]

So because we lost, do we have another game in this classic? Or is our next game FAU on the 26th?

[tnehurley]

Play tomorrow night at 8:30 p.m. opponent TBD.

[godanesgo99]

5 minutes ago, Eli said:

So because we lost, do we have another game in this classic? Or is our next game FAU on the 26th?

Play tomorrow night at 8:30 against the loser of the game that is happening now, I believe.   (Bucknell or Presbyterian)

[UA'08]

23 minutes ago, godanesgo99 said:

100% agree. Thus my post on giving time to DK to learn and grow as a head coach instead of calling for his head now. The ability to calm and inspire your team takes time to learn. (disclaimer: unless the lawsuit brings out more than what we know today and isn't just sour grapes for an incident that I don't think was that bad the way it has been explained to me)

Yeah we are to look just at the basketball aspect of it it’s early and seems like it’s correctable stuff. No real home gym to play at. Practicing on a make shift practice court. Still have plenty of time before conference play.

[godanesgo99]

I know it is the way the current game of basketball is played, but the old adage still holds water...

• Within 0-5 feet of the hoop you should make 70%+
• Within 5-15 feet of the hoop you should make 50%+
• Within 15-20 feet of the hoop you should make 40%+
• Within 21 feet of the hoop (3pt) you should make 35%+
• Team should shoot 75-80% from the free throw line overall (realizing some bigs will be in the 60% range, while some guards will be in the 90% range)

If the team can shoot 50% overall for 2 - that's 10 points on 10 shots, while 35% from 3 would be about 10 points on 10 shots (between 9-12). Actually the 2 pointers in this example should be 10-12 because of potential "and one's" on made shots or 2 shot fouls on the misses. 

It doesn't feel like we are making anywhere close to 35% from three, even though that's what the stats say. Probably still skewed by the d3 games as it's only 5 games so far. 

I am just rambling, but the thing I was trying to get to is that it feels like we are taking about twice as many three point attempts as we should be. Passing up good close shots and layups to pass for an open three pointer. Our opponents are currently shooting over 40% for three, so maybe our three point defense just sucks so badly that our guys are making a lot more in practice against their own defense than against opponents. This is giving them too much confidence against teams that defend outside better.

The biggest problem, IMHO, is the inability to stop an opponents run and just get a basket to end a scoreless streak. This is where passing up an easier shot for a three is killing the team. Sure a three might pump up the team get them going, but if we are in a cold shooting moment and missing, pound it inside. Drive to the hoop. Get an easy one. Missing a three leading to the other team scoring is a pretty big swing from a made layup.  

Edited November 21, 2022 by godanesgo99

[Eli]

10 minutes ago, godanesgo99 said:

I know it is the way the current game of basketball is played, but the old adage still holds water...

• Within 0-5 feet of the hoop you should make 70%+
• Within 5-15 feet of the hoop you should make 50%+
• Within 15-20 feet of the hoop you should make 40%+
• Within 21 feet of the hoop (3pt) you should make 35%+
• Team should shoot 75-80% from the free throw line overall (realizing some bigs will be in the 60% range, while some guards will be in the 90% range)

If the team can shoot 50% overall for 2 - that's 10 points on 10 shots, while 35% from 3 would be about 10 points on 10 shots (between 9-12). Actually the 2 pointers in this example should be 10-12 because of potential "and one's" on the layups.

It doesn't feel like we are making anywhere close to 35% from three, even though that's what the stats say. Probably still skewed by the d3 games as it's only 5 games so far. 

I am just rambling, but the thing I was trying to get to is that it feels like we are taking about twice as many three point attempts as we should be. Passing up good close shots and layups to pass for an open three pointer. Our opponents are currently shooting over 40% for three, so maybe our three point defense just sucks so badly that our guys are making a lot more in practice against their own defense than against opponents. This is giving them too much confidence against teams that defend outside better.

The biggest problem, IMHO, is the inability to stop an opponents run and just get a basket to end a scoreless streak. This is where passing up an easier shot for a three is killing the team. Sure a three might pump up the team get them going, but if we are in a cold shooting moment and missing, pound it inside. Drive to the hoop. Get an easy one. Missing a three leading to the other team scoring is a pretty big swing from a made layup.  

Removing the D3 games, we have averages of:

Tot. L		OOC		14255	262	315	85	101	215	211	39.5%	47.9%	32	27	102	68	31.4%	39.7%	60	86	86	124	69.8%	69.4%	129	142	45	54	19	22	9	12	54	46	101	79
Avg. L		OOC		3563.8	65.5	78.8	21.3	25.3	53.8	52.8	39.5%	47.9%	8.0	6.8	25.5	17.0	31.4%	39.7%	15.0	21.5	21.5	31.0	69.8%	69.4%	32.3	35.5	11.3	13.5	4.8	5.5	2.3	3.0	13.5	11.5	25.3	19.8
		LOC		ATN	PTS		FGM		FGA		FG%		3PTM		3PTA		3PT%		FTM		FTA		FT%		REB		AST		STL		BLK		TO		FOUL	

FG%: 39.5
3P%: 31.4
FT%: 69.8

[godanesgo99]

24 minutes ago, Eli said:

Removing the D3 games, we have averages of:

Tot. L		OOC		14255	262	315	85	101	215	211	39.5%	47.9%	32	27	102	68	31.4%	39.7%	60	86	86	124	69.8%	69.4%	129	142	45	54	19	22	9	12	54	46	101	79
Avg. L		OOC		3563.8	65.5	78.8	21.3	25.3	53.8	52.8	39.5%	47.9%	8.0	6.8	25.5	17.0	31.4%	39.7%	15.0	21.5	21.5	31.0	69.8%	69.4%	32.3	35.5	11.3	13.5	4.8	5.5	2.3	3.0	13.5	11.5	25.3	19.8
		LOC		ATN	PTS		FGM		FGA		FG%		3PTM		3PTA		3PT%		FTM		FTA		FT%		REB		AST		STL		BLK		TO		FOUL	

FG%: 39.5
3P%: 31.4
FT%: 69.8

Interesting. I think that overall FG% includes 3's in the %, but I can't read the charts on Mobile. The volume of 3 pointers is as high as I can ever remember it though, and that also brings down the overall FG%. 

I could probably spend the time to see how close the team is within each of the ranges I mentioned, but I'd argue that we are probably fairly close to the above numbers. It does feel like we've missed a ton of close shots that rattle around the rim and don't fall. Opponents are shooting above 40% from 3 against us, so I'll go back to our three point defense not being good, leading to us making more in practice against our own defense, leading to over confidence with the three, leading to too many taken in the game. 

I listened to the game on the radio because I won't pay for flosports again, at least until a change is made with the football program, so I can only go with what Weiland said on the air. There were at least 2 plays that an easy layup was passed up for an open outside shot. Those account for pretty big swings when the other team gets the rebound and scores in transition. The last one was while AP was on their run. That's where we need to stop the bleeding with points. Take the two!

Edited November 21, 2022 by godanesgo99

[Eli]

7 minutes ago, godanesgo99 said:

Interesting. I think that overall FG% includes 3's in the %, but I can't read the charts on Mobile. The volume of 3 pointers is as high as I can ever remember it though, and that also brings down the overall FG%. 

I could probably spend the time to see how close the team is within each of the ranges I mentioned, but I'd argue that we are probably fairly close to the above numbers. It does feel like we've missed a ton of close shots that rattle around the rim and don't fall. Opponents are shooting above 40% from 3 against us, so I'll go back to our three point defense not being good, leading to us making more in practice against our own defense, leading to over confidence with the three, leading to too many taken in the game. 

I listened to the game on the radio because I won't pay for flosports again, at least until a change is made with the football program, so I can only go with what Weiland said on the air. There were at least 2 plays that an easy layup was passed up for an open outside shot. Those account for pretty big swings when the other team gets the rebound and scores in transition. The last one was while AP was on their run. That's where we need to stop the bleeding with points. Take the two!

Yes, FG includes 3PT. I'm sure @Clickclack could give you the breakdown of zones (2pt, 15ft, etc.) from KENPOM or something.

Edited November 21, 2022 by Eli

[UAalum72]

2 hours ago, tnehurley said:

Also, I like Beagle as much as everyone, he gets to the foul line, but is shooting FT’s like Blake Metcalf, % wise. Will this improve as the season wears on? Hope so.

Beagle's at 52%, which Metcalf never dreamed of. Ketner's only at 54% .Patel only 1 of 3.

I remember people ready to show Colleen Mullen the door, now she's won a championship. But she didn't have any other baggage.

[B9j2j6s]

How much do you think having all the distractions and being a visiting team even at hvcc is affecting performance?

[godanesgo99]

1 hour ago, godanesgo99 said:

 

The biggest problem, IMHO, is the inability to stop an opponents run and just get a basket to end a scoreless streak. This is where passing up an easier shot for a three is killing the team. Sure a three might pump up the team get them going, but if we are in a cold shooting moment and missing, pound it inside. Drive to the hoop. Get an easy one. Missing a three leading to the other team scoring is a pretty big swing from a made layup.  

Just wanted to highlight this again. This is the biggest area DK needs to improve as a coach. We have played extremely well in long stretches of each and every game, and shown that we have not been outclassed by anyone. We have had leads in every game that the team just could not protect. Even the St. Joes game, as UA won that game if only the first 10 minutes could have been erased. Hard to come back from being down 35-6. 

Killings needs to figure out how to get these guys to perform when the other team is raining shots. How to get them out of a funk and play together to stop the bleeding. EVERY GAME there is a stretch that kills us. They have the talent. We have seen it. We have a strong roster, even without Neely. Obviously better with him than without, but this team should win games. I am betting that this team puts it together for a whole game and beats a team that they have no business beating. One of the games like UMass, Providence, Loyola, or Virginia. Everyone will be scratching their head and wondering how it happened. I see the talent on the floor to do it. Just need one game where the wheels don't fall off for a 10 minute stretch. 

This is only year 2 of DK's career as a head coach. I'll give him some slack and some time to figure it out. In my mind he has at least until the end of next season. WB got 5 to learn the ropes as a new program. DK took over an established program, so he only gets 3. WB needed talent and to figure out how to coach. DK just needs the coaching chops. 

[godanesgo99]

20 minutes ago, B9j2j6s said:

How much do you think having all the distractions and being a visiting team even at hvcc is affecting performance?

Probably more than any of us will give credit for, but at the end of the day it should be zero. Basketball is all encompassing mentally and should be the escape from the off the court stuff. 

[cwdickens]

13 hours ago, godanesgo99 said:

Just wanted to highlight this again. This is the biggest area DK needs to improve as a coach. We have played extremely well in long stretches of each and every game, and shown that we have not been outclassed by anyone. We have had leads in every game that the team just could not protect. Even the St. Joes game, as UA won that game if only the first 10 minutes could have been erased. Hard to come back from being down 35-6. 

Killings needs to figure out how to get these guys to perform when the other team is raining shots. How to get them out of a funk and play together to stop the bleeding. EVERY GAME there is a stretch that kills us. They have the talent. We have seen it. We have a strong roster, even without Neely. Obviously better with him than without, but this team should win games. I am betting that this team puts it together for a whole game and beats a team that they have no business beating. One of the games like UMass, Providence, Loyola, or Virginia. Everyone will be scratching their head and wondering how it happened. I see the talent on the floor to do it. Just need one game where the wheels don't fall off for a 10 minute stretch. 

This is only year 2 of DK's career as a head coach. I'll give him some slack and some time to figure it out. In my mind he has at least until the end of next season. WB got 5 to learn the ropes as a new program. DK took over an established program, so he only gets 3. WB needed talent and to figure out how to coach. DK just needs the coaching chops. 

One would think that Killing's resume of 19 years at 7 organizations (both College and Professional) would have better prepared him for game time situations. Furthermore, Dwayne Killings presented that resume in his hiring announcement as evidence of his skill set to be a head basketball coach. Coaches are hired under many different circumstances.  However, the depth of Killings experience and age (41) would lead one to believe he has the maturity and experience to coach. At this time, Dwayne Killings has demonstrated none of that.

 Will Brown was 31 years of age with a successful head coaching position at Sullivan County (90-10) was primed to be a successful coach.  However. he faced an uphill climb in recruiting after the previous coach was dismissed.  Furthermore, Will Brown had to demonstrate that he had the skill set to do the job.

Give Killings some slack?  No way with GDAC looking to dig in our pockets more next year because of the refurbished SEFCU Arena and pending home game against Siena College.