2 Football players arrested

[ASP Guy]

Dane 96, I think you missed the point of my post:

the fact that the added exposure comes with the celebrity of being on the football team.

Let's face it, pigskin is a pretty big deal.

So when a football player (allegedly) does something like this, we want to know about it.

 

You can't compare it to regular students getting scholarships. I don't remember the last time the TU wrote about a presidential scholar gettting a 4.0.  You know why? Because we just don't care.

 

We can pretend like the kids being football players is irrelavent. But that would just be wrong.

 

The fact is: these players wear UAlbany jerseys.

Other students don't represent us on nearly the same scale as they do.

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No, my reading comprehension skills are just fine. I undestood every word of your post.

 

What you are missing, however, is that there is no difference between a kid who is on scholarship or free-aid who may or may not have committed a crime and those kids who are on athletic scholarships.

 

The ONLY DIFFERENCE...comes to those reporting the issue.

 

In the end...a crime is a crime...no matter who commits it. Oversensalization, e.g. DUKE, is perpetuated by those who need to tell a story.

 

Interestingly enough, I found the TU stories to be ok (and I usually bash them). In fact, I found enough in there to steer me from making ANY JUDGMENT! I have serious questions for both the victim and the players (for starters, what on earth were these two boys thinking having sex with a drunk girl...both of them at the same time....and for the girl, how on earth can she remember such vivid details of the event if she kept passing out and waking up. She says she passed out on the couch and then woke up...why didnt she attempt to leave (maybe she did but the article does not say that). Again, that is what the court system is for!!!

 

Right now...the players only poor judgment is that both men had sex with one girl who was drinking.

 

Do we know if it is rape or not? Not yet...that is for the trier of fact.

 

Unfortunately, the media and message boards feel like they are the trier of fact, which is certainly not the case.

 

Again, if the media wants to talk about all sexual assault cases on college campuses...fine...so be it. But you cannot talk about football players who have been accused (and mind you, they are in jail JUST BASED ON THE WORD OF AV...rape kits do not give any kind of DNA evidence in 12 hours...that is not the speed at which these things work)...without talking about the other assaults.

 

A RAPE IS A RAPE...no matter who has perpetuated the attack.

 

Just because you play college football...doesnt make you different than the other kids on campus who are receiving rides....period.

 

That being said, Doc Sauers once cautioned to do everything possible to keep yourself out of the media eye if you are an athlete....dont give them anything to write about.

 

This, I can agree with you and Doc on. However, the boys, as of now, are guilty of poor judgment. If you, or anyone in the media or on boards, sensationalized every act of poor judgment by college kids (athetes and non-athletes) we would be reading for years......

 

 

ASP GUY--- I pose this question:

 

Why on earth would you want to know about a football player committing a crime, opposed to another person in the Albany community committing the crime? How do the acts differ, unless your alterior motive is: WE WANT FOOTBALLERS TO PAY...and WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE REST.

 

Dont you think ALL SUSPECTED RAPES ARE IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW ABOUT...if it is the community you wish to protect?

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You're right. All rapes happening on college campuses should be written about. And if they're not, that's a shame.

 

But you're being disingenuous. Don't try to lump me in with people who are anti-UAlbnay football just because I think that when football players recieve extra attention for positive things, they should also recieve extra attention for negative things.

 

And for the record, I not only believe it's okay for these guys to get a free ride, I think UAlbany should offer full scholarships to the entire roster (I have a theory about how that helps the University's other parts in the long run, but that's for another day)

[Dane96]

It was directed at you not because I believe you are anti-football but because of your original comments. My last post was simply an OVERALL picture to any who might read this thread. We were conversing so I asked you the question.

 

The problem is...we receive LITTLE IF ANY ATTENTION WITH FOOTBALL...yet something negative comes out and it is front page news. THAT...reaks of "agenda" reporting.

 

A real report, something the TU missed (though i thought the article was pretty fair) would have questioned, on a deeper level, why the DA was not notified, why the players were arrested 12 hours after the rape kit was performed at the hospital, and in fact, why the rape kit has anything to do with the reason for arrest without notifying the DA considering the players admitted having sex with the AV (though they claim...it was consensual.

 

For the non-initiated, a rape kit is the collection of hair, tissue, samples, fluids, pictures, observation. DNA testing is not performed immediately, however in this instance it wouldnt matter considering the boys admitted they had sex with her.

 

My real problem is that everyone is jumping the gun. As I have clearly stated numerous times on many boards when this issue comes up, I think the two most disgusting acts in the world are rape and child molestation. I have had the unfortunate experience of being close to a woman who suffered one of the most heinous and violent rape crimes in the State of NY.

 

That being said, I do not condone ANY SENSALIZATION OF ACTIONS before the trier of fact has the ability to objectively review the evidence.

 

Our society is too hung up on message boards (yes, I am guilty of this), 24-hour news cycles, and SO-CALLED EXPERTS who get on TV and profess innocence or guilt before the system progresses. Add to that, overzealous officials who often are hell-bent at proving what they believe to be true (see DUKE).

 

We all need to step back and let due process take its course.

Edited October 17, 2006 by Dane96

[UAlbany09]

I want to know what is causing the spike in reported sexual assaults and other assaults this year over previous years. Why are we seeing something like a 30% increase in these crimes over last year. Being a member of Five Quad, we sometimes have to transport these victims to the hospital. It seems like alot of these incidents are happening exclusively on Indian and with Freshmen (I don't have any evidence to support that, it is just my perception). At a time when we're bringing in the most academically succesful and robust profile of students UAlbany has ever seen, why is this stuff happening more frequently then in years passed. To me, this one incident is just piece of a much larger problem on campus this year.

[Dane96]

I want to know what is causing the spike in reported sexual assaults and other assaults this year over previous years. Why are we seeing something like a 30% increase in these crimes over last year. Being a member of Five Quad, we sometimes have to transport these victims to the hospital. It seems like alot of these incidents are happening exclusively on Indian and with Freshmen (I don't have any evidence to support that, it is just my perception). At a time when we're bringing in the most academically succesful and robust profile of students UAlbany has ever seen, why is this stuff happening more frequently then in years passed. To me, this one incident is just piece of a much larger problem on campus this year.

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It, can be argued, is a national trend. Freshman, in general, are more susceptible to this because of a variety of factors including, but not limited to, youth; being away from home; and excessive drinking.

[daneguy04]

I think that people here need to do two things SHUT UP AND GROW UP!!!! The fact that I got halfway through this thread and there are underhanded insulting comments comletely devalues what has happened here. Please stay on topic, and if you have nothing new (or nice for that matter) to say then dont say anything at all!

 

I for one will reserve judgement on the alleged victim, alleged attackers and alleged posters on this board until the dust settles and facts are straightened out!!!

[Dane Pound]

Assaults often not pursued - TU

[JonUA97]

I have to agree with Daneguy here (I hate doing that). I knew what I posted earlier this week would set this off but again, knowing how many folks that are admitted to the bar around here, I think that we would all agree that we need to take a breath, let the due process take course and heed the advise of ATL.

 

As far as when our program became big time, I think it was right around the time they headed down to Delaware and opened a can of Great Dane whoop-ass on the Blue Hens. That put the program on the map for sure.

 

OT- UAlbany09 check your PM.

 

Just remember to breathe before you post (I can't belive that I just said that)

 

See you all for homecoming this weekend!

 

SSS

[UAalum72]

Ford speaks, but not about the investigation or the three players

 

WNYT-13 report and video

[UAalum72]

Times-Union Ford insists UAlbany reputation unharmed

 

McElroy A defender of UAlbany athletics

[DaneFan2k3]

NICE photo caption

 

Head Football Coach Bob Ford speaks to the press as members of the SUNYA football team walk on to the practice field Thursday. (Skip Dickstein / Times Union)