The weekend road trip - women at Wagner, men at Colgate and Canisius

[MRSGDG]

 

 

I think its interesting for us fans who enjoy watching a our UA teams know how to play basketball and get to the hoop. It seems so many teams now just rely on chucking up threes at this level and no one is taught how to get to the hoop.

 

Now granted often times we are on the bad end of the games when people hit threes after threes.. but I know I at least enjoy seeing actual plays, and drives to the hoop..from a fun fan experience.

 

Like watching Colgate in person was sooo boring. It was a joke how they never went for a 2. Just passed around, kicked out, etc.

As a fan I don't care how it gets into the hoop. What's boring is losing the same way every game. It gets very old when you keep hearing every loss is because the other team got hot from three.

 

Exactly, it's idiotic to suggest you enjoy teams who run an offense and lose vs teams that can hit 13 threes and drill you by 17. Hit 12 threes and I'm OK if they don't run offensive sets on every possession. People are destroying UA with a volume 3's game but hey, at least we run plays. And shoot 41% from the field like in this game against one of the worst defenses in the country. This team is meddling right now...some good wins but also some really head-scratching losses. I think that's par for the course for a team starting 2 sophomores, one of which had almost zero experience going into the season, is sulking a bit and immature.

 

Albany is 3rd or 4th best this year. Needs to get Andrews and Lands back, need to develop some semblance of defensive identity. Right now this is a team looking at around 16 or 17 wins on the year. For the record I consider that success in a rebuilding year.

 

 

 

Haha yes mr admitted bipolar fan I'm idiotic for thinking that.. except wait, I didn't say I like to watch them lose.... lol. I was just saying it's boring to watch games where all teams do is shoot 3s.

Edited December 13, 2016 by MRSGDG

[MRSGDG]

Interestingly..kenpom likes us better right now (174) than when the season started (183)..even after tonight's loss. Our opponents are top 10 in 3FGA/FGA against us. Tough to tell how much of that is Coach Brown's defensive strategy vs. the offensive strategy of teams we're playing.

 

Three-pointers continue to be a growing part of college basketball. I don't disagree that a team setting screens at the top of the key and passing the ball around the perimeter for 20+ seconds until they get a halfway decent outside look isn't exactly the most exciting basketball..but I couldn't care less if teams shoot 1 three or 100..as long as we win.

 

Even with teams going three-point heavy against us over the past coupe weeks..I think our health and offense are two biggest keys going forward. Too often the team is just forced to hope Cremo can create on his own. Nichols finished strong tonight..but mostly in junk time..and has been a streaky volume scorer..hasn't really been that efficient so far. Both Cremo and Nichols are struggling mightily from outside..so the defenses can sag off them a bit and completely collapse as soon as they put the ball on the floor. Rowley and Stire have been contributing well enough..but neither are really going to win a game with their offense. The team got just three points from the bench tonight. Tough to win that way.

 

Have four more non-conference games to continue to work on things and get healthy until the 'real' season starts.

 

Kenpom clearly doesn't visit BPF.. the sky is falling.

[UA'08]

 

 

 

I think its interesting for us fans who enjoy watching a our UA teams know how to play basketball and get to the hoop. It seems so many teams now just rely on chucking up threes at this level and no one is taught how to get to the hoop.

 

Now granted often times we are on the bad end of the games when people hit threes after threes.. but I know I at least enjoy seeing actual plays, and drives to the hoop..from a fun fan experience.

 

Like watching Colgate in person was sooo boring. It was a joke how they never went for a 2. Just passed around, kicked out, etc.

As a fan I don't care how it gets into the hoop. What's boring is losing the same way every game. It gets very old when you keep hearing every loss is because the other team got hot from three.

 

Exactly, it's idiotic to suggest you enjoy teams who run an offense and lose vs teams that can hit 13 threes and drill you by 17. Hit 12 threes and I'm OK if they don't run offensive sets on every possession. People are destroying UA with a volume 3's game but hey, at least we run plays. And shoot 41% from the field like in this game against one of the worst defenses in the country. This team is meddling right now...some good wins but also some really head-scratching losses. I think that's par for the course for a team starting 2 sophomores, one of which had almost zero experience going into the season, is sulking a bit and immature.

 

Albany is 3rd or 4th best this year. Needs to get Andrews and Lands back, need to develop some semblance of defensive identity. Right now this is a team looking at around 16 or 17 wins on the year. For the record I consider that success in a rebuilding year.

 

 

 

Haha yes mr admitted bipolar fan I'm idiotic for thinking that.. except wait, I didn't say I like to watch them lose.... lol. I was just saying it's boring to watch games where all teams do is shoot 3s.

 

 

I mean the grind it out, slow it down, ugly half court offense doesn't make it anymore enjoyable for me.

[MRSGDG]

 

 

 

 

I think its interesting for us fans who enjoy watching a our UA teams know how to play basketball and get to the hoop. It seems so many teams now just rely on chucking up threes at this level and no one is taught how to get to the hoop.

 

Now granted often times we are on the bad end of the games when people hit threes after threes.. but I know I at least enjoy seeing actual plays, and drives to the hoop..from a fun fan experience.

 

Like watching Colgate in person was sooo boring. It was a joke how they never went for a 2. Just passed around, kicked out, etc.

As a fan I don't care how it gets into the hoop. What's boring is losing the same way every game. It gets very old when you keep hearing every loss is because the other team got hot from three.

 

Exactly, it's idiotic to suggest you enjoy teams who run an offense and lose vs teams that can hit 13 threes and drill you by 17. Hit 12 threes and I'm OK if they don't run offensive sets on every possession. People are destroying UA with a volume 3's game but hey, at least we run plays. And shoot 41% from the field like in this game against one of the worst defenses in the country. This team is meddling right now...some good wins but also some really head-scratching losses. I think that's par for the course for a team starting 2 sophomores, one of which had almost zero experience going into the season, is sulking a bit and immature.

 

Albany is 3rd or 4th best this year. Needs to get Andrews and Lands back, need to develop some semblance of defensive identity. Right now this is a team looking at around 16 or 17 wins on the year. For the record I consider that success in a rebuilding year.

 

 

 

Haha yes mr admitted bipolar fan I'm idiotic for thinking that.. except wait, I didn't say I like to watch them lose.... lol. I was just saying it's boring to watch games where all teams do is shoot 3s.

 

 

I mean the grind it out, slow it down, ugly half court offense doesn't make it anymore enjoyable for me.

 

I was talking "in general" there are teams that drive to the hoop and teams that chuck threes. In general I personally find plays, backdoors and drives to the hoop more entertaining than draining the clock and chucking up a three during almost every possession. That's all, wasn't talking crappy D, etc. Just offense.

[MRSGDG]

Interesting read..figured I'd Google it just to see if the rates have changed recently.

 

 

Arc Madness: Inside the college basketball three-point revolution (Feb 2016)

http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/02/10/why-college-basketball-contenders-are-shooting-threes-historic-rates

[UA'08]

 

 

 

 

 

I think its interesting for us fans who enjoy watching a our UA teams know how to play basketball and get to the hoop. It seems so many teams now just rely on chucking up threes at this level and no one is taught how to get to the hoop.

 

Now granted often times we are on the bad end of the games when people hit threes after threes.. but I know I at least enjoy seeing actual plays, and drives to the hoop..from a fun fan experience.

 

Like watching Colgate in person was sooo boring. It was a joke how they never went for a 2. Just passed around, kicked out, etc.

As a fan I don't care how it gets into the hoop. What's boring is losing the same way every game. It gets very old when you keep hearing every loss is because the other team got hot from three.

 

Exactly, it's idiotic to suggest you enjoy teams who run an offense and lose vs teams that can hit 13 threes and drill you by 17. Hit 12 threes and I'm OK if they don't run offensive sets on every possession. People are destroying UA with a volume 3's game but hey, at least we run plays. And shoot 41% from the field like in this game against one of the worst defenses in the country. This team is meddling right now...some good wins but also some really head-scratching losses. I think that's par for the course for a team starting 2 sophomores, one of which had almost zero experience going into the season, is sulking a bit and immature.

 

Albany is 3rd or 4th best this year. Needs to get Andrews and Lands back, need to develop some semblance of defensive identity. Right now this is a team looking at around 16 or 17 wins on the year. For the record I consider that success in a rebuilding year.

 

 

 

Haha yes mr admitted bipolar fan I'm idiotic for thinking that.. except wait, I didn't say I like to watch them lose.... lol. I was just saying it's boring to watch games where all teams do is shoot 3s.

 

 

I mean the grind it out, slow it down, ugly half court offense doesn't make it anymore enjoyable for me.

 

I was talking "in general" there are teams that drive to the hoop and teams that chuck threes. In general I personally find plays, backdoors and drives to the hoop more entertaining than draining the clock and chucking up a three during almost every possession. That's all, wasn't talking crappy D, etc. Just offense.

 

 

Yes and in general I have always found our offense boring, but who cares if you win.

[Eli]

 

 

I mean the grind it out, slow it down, ugly half court offense doesn't make it anymore enjoyable for me.

 

I was talking "in general" there are teams that drive to the hoop and teams that chuck threes. In general I personally find plays, backdoors and drives to the hoop more entertaining than draining the clock and chucking up a three during almost every possession. That's all, wasn't talking crappy D, etc. Just offense.

 

 

Yes and in general I have always found our offense boring, but who cares if you win.

 

Same. I wish Brown as a run and gun guy on offense but it is what it is. As long as we win.

 

As my previous post with the stats seems to show, as long as we attack the basket in our half court sets and get to the line AND rebound, we pretty much can win any game regardless of shooting, opponents 3's, etc.

 

 

Canisius WAS chucking 3's (basically half of their shots from were 3), compared to us anyway but after looking at the data, no more than other teams. The reason is because we do not close out or run people off the line and we give guys so much space...but I was told you never cover people that far out so whatever.

 

I went ahead and made this...might be a bit hard to read due to formatting, maybe I'll find a more efficient way to show this data.

UAlbany Wins																								
** Albany stats are the left side in each grouping **																								
Opponent	FGM		FGA		FG%		FTM		FTA		FT%		3PTM		3PTA		3PT%		RBG		AST		TO	
Penn State	30	27	61	63	49.2%	42.9%	20	18	25	22	80.0%	81.8%	7	9	14	25	50.0%	36.0%	43	26	16	9	15	12
Oneonta*	38	20	81	71	46.9%	28.2%	16	11	25	13	64.0%	84.6%	5	5	12	27	41.7%	18.5%	69	31	15	11	12	13
Brown	        26	25	52	59	50.0%	42.4%	22	21	28	29	78.6%	72.4%	6	5	14	20	42.9%	25.0%	37	28	9	13	18	8
Siena	        27	23	52	49	51.9%	46.9%	21	19	32	25	65.6%	76.0%	6	7	12	22	50.0%	31.8%	29	31	15	11	6	11
Marist	        26	25	60	51	43.3%	49.0%	21	5	28	8	75.0%	62.5%	5	11	14	28	35.7%	39.3%	34	30	13	15	9	19
Colgate	        26	23	51	45	51.0%	51.1%	19	9	26	11	73.1%	81.8%	3	11	9	29	33.3%	37.9%	29	22	8	11	10	16
Total	        173	143	357	338	48.5%	42.3%	119	83	164	108	72.6%	76.9%	32	48	75	151	42.7%	31.8%	241	168	76	70	70	79
Average	        28.8	23.8	59.5	56.3	48.7%	43.4%	19.8	13.8	27.3	18.0	72.7%	76.5%	5.3	8.0	12.5	25.2	42.3%	31.4%	40.2	28.0	12.7	11.7	11.7	13.2
																								
UAlbany Losses																								
** Albany stats are the left side in each grouping **																								
Opponent	FGM		FGA		FG%		FTM		FTA		FT%		3PTM		3PTA		3PT%		RBG		AST		TO	
Cincinatti	20	28	48	61	41.7%	45.9%	9	13	14	20	64.3%	65.0%	2	5	14	21	14.3%	23.8%	33	34	8	16	22	10
Grand Canyon	27	29	59	69	45.8%	42.0%	15	14	21	21	71.4%	66.7%	8	10	21	24	38.1%	41.7%	36	33	10	15	13	9
Holy Cross	21	18	45	46	46.7%	39.1%	8	6	10	10	80.0%	60.0%	1	11	9	29	11.1%	37.9%	20	37	15	12	18	9
Yale	        22	22	50	56	44.0%	39.3%	9	4	10	5	90.0%	80.0%	2	11	12	29	16.7%	37.9%	31	33	13	15	12	13
Canisius	27	26	66	57	40.9%	45.6%	8	13	8	17	100.0%	76.5%	2	12	11	28	18.2%	42.9%	37	35	11	20	13	14
Total	        117	123	268	289	43.7%	42.6%	49	50	63	73	77.8%	68.5%	15	49	67	131	22.4%	37.4%	157	172	57	78	78	55
Average	        23.4	24.6	53.6	57.8	43.8%	42.4%	9.8	10.0	12.6	14.6	81.1%	69.6%	3.0	9.8	13.4	26.2	19.7%	36.8%	31.4	34.4	11.4	15.6	15.6	11.0
																								
Total (all)	290	266	625	627	46.4%	42.4%	168	133	227	181	74.0%	73.5%	47	97	142	282	33.1%	34.4%	398	340	133	148	148	134
Average (all)	26.4	24.2	56.8	57.0	46.5%	42.9%	15.3	12.1	20.6	16.5	76.5%	73.4%	4.3	8.8	12.9	25.6	32.0%	33.9%	36.2	30.9	12.1	13.5	13.5	12.2

What I get from the data is that when we get to the line and out rebound teams, we win regardless of pretty much whatever else happens. We weren't nearly as aggressive as in other games. Again "bus legs", as Iati mentioned, may have had something to do with this.

Edited December 13, 2016 by Eli

[UA'08]

 

 

Interestingly..kenpom likes us better right now (174) than when the season started (183)..even after tonight's loss. Our opponents are top 10 in 3FGA/FGA against us. Tough to tell how much of that is Coach Brown's defensive strategy vs. the offensive strategy of teams we're playing.

 

Three-pointers continue to be a growing part of college basketball. I don't disagree that a team setting screens at the top of the key and passing the ball around the perimeter for 20+ seconds until they get a halfway decent outside look isn't exactly the most exciting basketball..but I couldn't care less if teams shoot 1 three or 100..as long as we win.

 

Even with teams going three-point heavy against us over the past coupe weeks..I think our health and offense are two biggest keys going forward. Too often the team is just forced to hope Cremo can create on his own. Nichols finished strong tonight..but mostly in junk time..and has been a streaky volume scorer..hasn't really been that efficient so far. Both Cremo and Nichols are struggling mightily from outside..so the defenses can sag off them a bit and completely collapse as soon as they put the ball on the floor. Rowley and Stire have been contributing well enough..but neither are really going to win a game with their offense. The team got just three points from the bench tonight. Tough to win that way.

 

Have four more non-conference games to continue to work on things and get healthy until the 'real' season starts.

Kenpom clearly doesn't visit BPF.. the sky is falling.

Wouldn't say it's falling, but it's certainly frustrating seeing another team bomb away and hit 10+ threes on us AGAIN.

[UA'08]

Grand Canyone 10-24 from 3

Holy Cross 11-29 from 3

Yale 11-29 from 3

Canisius 12-28 from 3

 

In the wins

Penn St. was 9-25 from 3 > good

Brown was 5-20

Siena was 7-22

 

 

 

 

What was Canisus picked in the MAAC this year?

9th. Not good. We played down to their level and then some.

Canisius isn't going to finish 9th. Preseason picks are worthless.

From what I remember from the Siena and penn st game, both of them missed many wide open looks as well. Especially Siena.

[ZLK]

Team should be fine, last bad OOC stretch we had was 2015 (where our guards were figuring out roles also). There's not going to be an at large from the America East so if it bothers you because of seeding (if we win the America East Tournament) then I understand. Most important thing is figuring everything out before conference play. This wasn't a year where we expected much early, then Penn State and Cincy first half happened and screwed up all of our thoughts on what this team could be early.

 

Lost 5 out of 6 in 2015 (not to mention 2 at home), to (177) Quinnipiac, (101) UNLV, (242) Holy Cross, (221) St. Francis PA, (201) Bucknell

[Clickclack]

 

 

Interestingly..kenpom likes us better right now (174) than when the season started (183)..even after tonight's loss. Our opponents are top 10 in 3FGA/FGA against us. Tough to tell how much of that is Coach Brown's defensive strategy vs. the offensive strategy of teams we're playing.

 

Three-pointers continue to be a growing part of college basketball. I don't disagree that a team setting screens at the top of the key and passing the ball around the perimeter for 20+ seconds until they get a halfway decent outside look isn't exactly the most exciting basketball..but I couldn't care less if teams shoot 1 three or 100..as long as we win.

 

Even with teams going three-point heavy against us over the past coupe weeks..I think our health and offense are two biggest keys going forward. Too often the team is just forced to hope Cremo can create on his own. Nichols finished strong tonight..but mostly in junk time..and has been a streaky volume scorer..hasn't really been that efficient so far. Both Cremo and Nichols are struggling mightily from outside..so the defenses can sag off them a bit and completely collapse as soon as they put the ball on the floor. Rowley and Stire have been contributing well enough..but neither are really going to win a game with their offense. The team got just three points from the bench tonight. Tough to win that way.

 

Have four more non-conference games to continue to work on things and get healthy until the 'real' season starts.

Kenpom clearly doesn't visit BPF.. the sky is falling.

No one said Sky is falling but by all means, continue to tilt at windmills. And yes.. I like bipolar, what's it to you?

[Clickclack]

Team should be fine, last bad OOC stretch we had was 2015 (where our guards were figuring out roles also). There's not going to be an at large from the America East so if it bothers you because of seeding (if we win the America East Tournament) then I understand. Most important thing is figuring everything out before conference play. This wasn't a year where we expected much early, then Penn State and Cincy first half happened and screwed up all of our thoughts on what this team could be early.

 

Lost 5 out of 6 in 2015 (not to mention 2 at home), to (177) Quinnipiac, (101) UNLV, (242) Holy Cross, (221) St. Francis PA, (201) Bucknell

Good post... This was a rebuilding year. We'll be OK...

[jimbo]

What I saw last night was an opponent getting open 3 looks and hitting them, we don't have a consistent 3 shooter, their inside men were disruptive and ours are not, our big men missed a slew of layups. Recipe for a loss. Next game.

 

 

 

Interesting stat (at least to me): Through last night's game, total 3 pt stats UA 47-142 .331 Opp 97-282 .341 Opponents are shooting twice as many, but hitting at nearly the same rate. Unfortunately for UA a game like last night they go 43% from 3. We won TOs last night, we won rebounds last night, we lost FTs rather badly.

Edited December 13, 2016 by jimbo

[uofalbany]

I don't mind a little humility thrown into the mix early in the season..... it can play

a vital role in the team's mindset down the road, when it really matters.

 

Play hard or get your $iena kicked. Canisius came out and bitchslapped us from the getgo,

and we really never responded.

Edited December 13, 2016 by uofalbany

[dslyank]

I thought Canisius worked for their 3's; whereas yale & cross simply chucked and hoped. I could be wrong, but I think Canisius can make some noise in the maac; as for me they appear to have talent and are well coached. IMHO yale & cross are going no where. These opinions are obviously based on minimal exposure, but to me the Canisius loss was not as bad as the other two. Never the less, I feel we could/would have won the game if we did not miss so may easy lay-ups and if the dam D would have been more aggressive.